Tony is a lovely guy too Chirper and great to talk to. I have met him on many occasions with my involvement with bird clubs and one of my friends who I get all my bird products from is a distributor for Vetafarm. Our parrot club did an aviary tour earlier this year and they had a guided tour over the Vetafarm plant. Would have loved to have gone but I had no one to look after my animals for 3 days and I couldn't afford to go anyway.