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Old 02-12-2016, 12:53 PM
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Hi everyone! I've been holding off on posting this because I had hoped the situation would improve over time, but it seems to be getting worse.

Fred, George, and Charlie have a tendency to interact with each other and the three of them will usually sit on the same perch while Ginny is left by herself on a lower perch. While there's no outright fighting between Fred and Ginny, Fred gets very territorial and she chatters at Ginny. A lot. It's gotten to the point where if Fred so much as hops on the same perch, Ginny takes off. They do sit together peacefully, on occasion.

The boys are pretty cool and have no problem hanging out with her. I've even seen Charlie feeding her. But Fred is a bad influence and they're starting to pay her less and less attention. Charlie has even started getting territorial and chattering at her when she comes near. George is cool, though, and he just sings all the time.

I'm at a loss for what to do. I recently put the four of them into the large f040 flight cage, which they are loving. But, the cage makes the neglect even worse because now Ginny sits even farther away from the other birds. I just feel really sad for her because nobody wants to be her friend.

I'm debating taking her out and putting her by herself, but then she'd be even more isolated. I've debated putting Fred by herself, but that feels really mean. I've even considered putting one of the girls in with the new boys, Arthur and Molly, once they come out of quarantine.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do? Do I need to do anything at all? Is this normal?

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Is it not possible to have Ginny and Charlie in a cage together, seeing as he has fed her before? It would help her develop a better bond with him and she wouldn't be alone and the other birds would have company still.
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I agree with Therm, the best solution for your flocks' long term happiness and to avoid any potential animosity from developing would be to place each pair into their own cage and keep this arrangement permanent.
You can still allow the 4 to have out of cage time together depending on how well they get along.

You may want to take a look at this link for detailed information:
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Is it not possible to have Ginny and Charlie in a cage together, seeing as he has fed her before? It would help her develop a better bond with him and she wouldn't be alone and the other birds would have company still.
Thank you for the advice! Yes, it is possible to have Ginny and Charlie in a cage together. Charlie has a strong bond with George, though. Would it be stressful for them to be apart?

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I agree with Therm, the best solution for your flocks' long term happiness and to avoid any potential animosity from developing would be to place each pair into their own cage and keep this arrangement permanent.
You can still allow the 4 to have out of cage time together depending on how well they get along.

You may want to take a look at this link for detailed information:
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...en-flocks.html
Thank you for the advice! I think that separating them is what's going to be best. It's just going to be a tough decision to decide who gets to live in the flight cage and who goes back to the other cage. They get along fine during out of cage time now, the problems take place within the cage. Fred has a bad attitude that has been worse since she's reaching breeding condition.

Depending on how they do when separated and have out of cage time to interact, would housing them together again be a potential future option? I want to do what's best for them. My thought is that they would all have more room in the flight cage and based on the three days they've been living in it, they all really like it. I don't want to be unfair and play favorites and let two birds have a palace while two other pairs get houses. If that makes any sense. I don't know, I'm probably just being silly and putting more thought into this than the budgies would.

Also, I'm reading through the thread and it's very interesting. I have little to no knowledge of flock dynamics, so thanks for sharing.
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You're very welcome.

Temperaments do tend to flare when budgies reach breeding condition and to avoid unnecessary fighting that will lead to a breach in the flock's harmony, it's best to house two birds per cage.
Since your girls don't get along, that option is not viable, so the next best thing is to house them with the mate they like best. Your boys will get used to this arrangement.

These changes in the housing situation should be expected and all factors and possibilities must be taken into account especially when deciding to house multiple birds in one cage, because more often than not, this will simply not work in the long run.
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I agree with Aluz, having one pair to a cage is really the best option so nobody feels left out

Let us know how the new arrangement goes!
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Alyssa,

Soon you'll be like me and have a houseful of F040 flight cages each with no more than one or two birds in it!

At one point, I had 7 birds and 5 of the F040 flight cages to house them.

Now I'm down to 6 birds and 4 flight cages.

Simply because budgies are "flock" animals, many people expect they will all get along and live happily together.
As aluz has explained -- that just is not always the case.

This is why a person indicates they are getting more budgies, we try to advise the individual to ensure they have room for permanently housing them in separate cages if necessary.
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I do feel the struggle you are having.

When I decided to get Jimmy and Jay a bigger cage, a Ferplast Piano 6, it could comfortably house 4 budgies.
Then my Dad bought home two females and that's when the fun began.
Following aluz's advice, I simply let my birds pair up as they desired and split them into those pairs for the cages. 8 birds, 4 cages and life is simple.

Now I have three cages that are the same size and one much bigger cage.

On the occasions that they all come out together, I simply let the birds decide which cage they go into. Since they have been split this way, I've had only three occasions where they have had more than two birds to a cage for the night and it was quickly fixed in the morning.

I think aluz's advice on housing them was the best piece of advice I've received with regards to the budgies. I'd probably be so stressed if I'd tried to keep them happy living together.
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You're very welcome.

Temperaments do tend to flare when budgies reach breeding condition and to avoid unnecessary fighting that will lead to a breach in the flock's harmony, it's best to house two birds per cage.
Since your girls don't get along, that option is not viable, so the next best thing is to house them with the mate they like best. Your boys will get used to this arrangement.

These changes in the housing situation should be expected and all factors and possibilities must be taken into account especially when deciding to house multiple birds in one cage, because more often than not, this will simply not work in the long run.
I will make the arrangement to separate them this weekend, when I have more time. I love Fred to death, but her attitude is really frustrating. Everyone can play nice except for her. thanks again for the advice!

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I agree with Aluz, having one pair to a cage is really the best option so nobody feels left out

Let us know how the new arrangement goes!
I will definitely let you guys know!

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Alyssa,

Soon you'll be like me and have a houseful of F040 flight cages each with no more than one or two birds in it!

At one point, I had 7 birds and 5 of the F040 flight cages to house them.

Now I'm down to 6 birds and 4 flight cages.

Simply because budgies are "flock" animals, many people expect they will all get along and live happily together.
As aluz has explained -- that just is not always the case.

This is why a person indicates they are getting more budgies, we try to advise the individual to ensure they have room for permanently housing them in separate cages if necessary.
Oh great, here comes Deb again trying to get me to spend more money!

But it all seriousness, I will probably end up with multiple flight cages, in time. It's just that money is tight right now because ew college and textbooks, taxes, bills, and all the super fun adult responsibilities. who knows, maybe my tax return will be kind to my feathered friends.

I definitely have enough room to keep them in pairs, I just never thought my home would be taken over by my birds.

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I do feel the struggle you are having.

When I decided to get Jimmy and Jay a bigger cage, a Ferplast Piano 6, it could comfortably house 4 budgies.
Then my Dad bought home two females and that's when the fun began.
Following aluz's advice, I simply let my birds pair up as they desired and split them into those pairs for the cages. 8 birds, 4 cages and life is simple.

Now I have three cages that are the same size and one much bigger cage.

On the occasions that they all come out together, I simply let the birds decide which cage they go into. Since they have been split this way, I've had only three occasions where they have had more than two birds to a cage for the night and it was quickly fixed in the morning.

I think aluz's advice on housing them was the best piece of advice I've received with regards to the budgies. I'd probably be so stressed if I'd tried to keep them happy living together.
Thank you for the tip! This is a really silly question but do the birds seem to care that one cage is bigger than the rest? I don't want anyone to be jealous or feel resentful towards the other birds. I am probably over thinking their emotions and being ridiculous.

I think Fred and George are going to stay in the flight cage. Ginny and Charlie are going into the old cage. And Arthur and Molly are staying into the cage that they came in.
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Thank you for the tip! This is a really silly question but do the birds seem to care that one cage is bigger than the rest? I don't want anyone to be jealous or feel resentful towards the other birds. I am probably over thinking their emotions and being ridiculous.

I think Fred and George are going to stay in the flight cage. Ginny and Charlie are going into the old cage. And Arthur and Molly are staying into the cage that they came in.
I actually had more problems getting a pair to go into the bigger cage to start with.
I think position of the cage is more important to them than the actual cage. But now they've got used to the set up, they are all pretty content to go in any cage.
Sage seems to think that the big cage is hers now though I think, so that's good enough for me.

I tried to put things I know certain birds liked more in a couple of cages and you can best anything that the bird you planned to go in that cage won't be in it! But they sort themselves out and it really keeps the peace. While my birds only ever had little squabbles, it stressed me out and I hated that they might not have been happy. It's very peaceful now.
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