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Old 07-29-2016, 04:40 PM
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Greetings all

A few months ago we got a new baby as our one and only budgie (Rocket) surely was lonely when we were at work. She is fairly tame female, never ever was cage aggressive or territorial, is fully flighted and even imitates a few words and does some nice tricks. She won't stay on us very long, but will fly to me for kisses and go back to her park.

So we got this new baby whom we were told was surely a male. But he was hand-fed and so so young.. only started eating on his own for about a week before we took him home. This new budgie had one wing trimmed and we could cuddle him as much as we wanted. He became very playful and friendly and would play wrestle and nestle against the nook of our necks to sleep.

Of course with time "he" became more independent and his nose lost that very dark color--- I started to suspect that he was in fact a 'she'. (I will keep saying "he" for purpose of the text) My boyfriend would come home much earlier from work and get to be closer to the bird, while I would come home later from work when the bird was ready to sleep and not so interested in playing anymore. So the bird grew much closer to my boyfriend during the quarantine time. Nevertheless I could still handle him and he would fluff and welcome head-pettings from me a bit.

Then we finally put the birds together (different cages, just together in the big bird park made mostly of real branches).

At first my older budgie was bossing the new one around a bit, but then as months went by the younger seems to be taking over all the space. "He" is half-English and bigger. He even began to take over Rocket's cage and keeping her from her food even though his cage was same height in the same spot of the house. Being non-territorial, my older budgie would sort of begrudgingly let him do it.. and she really really really seems to want to be friends with the young one. But the young one shuns her when she's too close. Well, I put an end to that behavior by leaving cage doors closed when they're out so he doesn't go camp her home. I just offer them food and water in the park.

By now my boyfriend can still pick the younger one up and pet him all over the head and all.. the young budgie is madly in love with my boyfriend. He sometimes tolerates the older budgie and SOMETIMES will play nice but most of the time prefers to keep her at bay.

But this is where things began to get very odd. About a week ago I could still bring my hand close and he would fluff up and invite me to pet his head a bit. But after I had to pick him up against his will to get him out of Rocket's cage, he started to really get aggressive with me. Now I can't even touch his beak or anything at all. He will come for me and bite.. bite hard.. hold on and bite non-stop. He will do it when inside the cage, when outside the cage, when in the bird park... just wants to eat me alive hehe. I don't scream, I don't pull back, i just close my hand in a first and let him get tired. But I'm not sure I understand the motivation behind this. I never had a bird who got mad for days on end. Clearly he's going through teen-time but it's intense

Now what really breaks my heart is.. if he's at one end of the VERY BIG bird park and Rocket is at the other--- if I try to do tricks with her and give her millet he will come and attack her. He doesn't even try to take the millet away, he doesn't care that I'm there or not. He just attacks her like she's done something wrong. And I'm not sure why.

It's not like he goes out of his way to bully her when in the budgie park usually, unless she comes too close. In fact, sometimes I see them bob heads and interract nicely with eachother. So what does this aggressive behavior mean? Is it really territorial? Jealousy? I can't quite tell. After all he gets this way .. well.. anywhere.. not just in his cage. And he gets this way whether my boyfriend is around or not. Or the other bird.

And if I try to make him step up for millet (I don't approach him, I stand far and just hover millet over my finger and call him), he comes over and bites me. And no warning that I can see so it's hard for me to tell if he's just going to touch my finger before hopping or if he'll bite. (ps I have very bad eyesight so it's hard for me to see eye pinning.. but I don't see anything else). I'm not too sure why he does that either. He's clearly not afraid and clearly I'm not the one coming in his boundaries as I'm just standing still inviting him over. It's not beaking as he breaks skin and has plenty of toys and things to chew anyhow-- and doesn't do that with my boyfriend. And when I ignore it.. instead of getting bored he gets.. well.. more upset and just keeps trying to bite.

So yeah any insights would help on what is causing this aggression. Then I can figure a better way to work around it o_o; I just.. know it's not fear, no . He was hand-fed and hand-tamed for so many months and never shows classic fear signs (leaning away, closing feathers, etc)
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Old 07-29-2016, 04:51 PM
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You definitely have two females there. Since she is coming into adolesecence she can be aggressive and territorial and may just need her own space at times. I would definitely recommend separate out of cage time, though, if she is attacking your other bird. Sometimes certain females just don't get along with other budgies.
You have been giving her attention, so I doubt aggression from non-interaction is a cause and would bet it's hormones.
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Hi there!

From the photos, I agree that your younger budgie is also a female.
I also see some pin feathers, so she is currently moulting and that can also add to your budgie's current moodiness.

From your description it's possible that your budgie has more of dominant personality and if she is truly interfering in the way you spend time and train your older budgie while having out of cage time, you may need to consider in having separate out of cage time for each of your budgies.
This way, you will also be able to better work in terms of improving the bond you have with your younger budgie and hopefully minimize the aggression by rewarding good behaviour: https://talkbudgies.com/taming-bondin...-training.html
It's best that you keep both of your budgies housed on separate cages so that the bullying doesn't escalate.
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Aye, good possibilities. I would feel sad about separating them when in the play gym. Not to mention Rocket is flighted and would just fly to wherever the other one is.

I mean, most of the times the two birds get along and Rocket really really enjoys the new companion and will try to follow the new one around. But even when they play nice, I notice Rocket submits more (she will lower herself and give kisses from below and then the younger will give kisses from a higher stance and sometimes share some food and even bob head a bit).

It's just as soon as there is some reason to compete.. then yeah it ain't pretty. =(

I think the new birdie, whom we are calling Doctor Johnes as of now, is the hardest baby I've ever had (and yet the only hand-fed one, go figure o_o). All my other "wild" pet shop birds turned out to be sweethearts

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Oh as far as molting goes, new baby is pretty much finishing molt yes. But really really likes my boyfriend petting and scratching her pin-feathers. She's just moody with me, I guess XD
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Two females can be quite frightening, but then again they can be best of friends. Just like people I guess, Be wary of allowing them too interact, if the stress is getting your Rocket it can cause distress.
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Now what really breaks my heart is.. if he's at one end of the VERY BIG bird park and Rocket is at the other--- if I try to do tricks with her and give her millet he will come and attack her. He doesn't even try to take the millet away, he doesn't care that I'm there or not. He just attacks her like she's done something wrong. And I'm not sure why.
As Rocket is being bullied by the new budgie (name?) then it is best that you separate them during out-of-cage time.
Taking Rocket into another room to play with her and work on her tricks is critical to her health and well-being.
The fact that you mention the new budgie attacks her for no reason if very worrisome as she could injure Rocket badly.
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Thank you all for the answers : )

So far I notice a pattern that the new girl mostly attacks Rocket when they have something to compete over. (food/treats, toys, human attention). Other than that, they hang out together quite nicely. Rocket is just so charming that she will win the new one's heart.

I agree I will have to find a way to take Rocket further away if I want to play and do tricks with her. This won't be easy as she is flighted and actually doesn't want to be separated from the other bird nor does she like going out the living-room.

But I'm positive they will learn to be good friends, in a way they already have a bond.
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