I'm glad that you're committed to giving Jack a whole new life You couldn't have come to a better place to do so!
You've been given great advice. Yes, there's a lot to learn, but don't try to do everything at once or you and Jack will both be stressed. JRS has listed some great places to start
With time and dedication, surely little Jack will start coming out of his shell more and enjoying his time with you. It will take a lot of effort but it definitely is possible :twothumb:
Finally, be sure to look through the links provided, which include the forum's many Budgie Articles and "stickies" (threads "stuck" to the top of each subform for easy reference) to stay up to date on all the best practices for caring for budgies. If you have any questions after reading through everything, be sure to ask as we'd love to help!
I look forward to seeing more of your darling boy soon!
and Princess Mallorn!
Thank you to Deb for her wonderful Faery magic
..Alright, so it took me the whole day to clean this room, but I'm done. I've moved the cage in the room(just on the floor for now), made 2 signs for the door, planned some routines for covering, food and reading that work for me.. and set a radio playing for the day like was suggested. The room is pretty small though, so I only have a few options for the cage's loacation. (Theres a picture below of the place i'm considering to put the cage at (right where the tv is.) I know that the drawer is a bit too high, but untill I'm gonna get a proper cage holding thingie, this might do.Would this be an okay place for the cage?)
I feel like my sister is attempting to sabotage the whole thing though.. She does technacally own Jack.. even if she doesn't take care of him.. She doesn't want me to do these changes because she all of a sudden "cares" for him and wants herself to be jack's best friend and me to stay as an enemy..(but she's not willing to read any articles or follow instructions..) So now she's messing up the feeding times and yelling on purpise.. I'm kind of in the middle of a war.. and my mother's on her side.. That sudden attension at Jack as probably been caused by me adressing his poor life quality, hopefully she'll calm down overtime) Our walls are so thin that every little yelling moment is heard tothe other room..
As far as doing chores for money...pfft, I won't get anything with that.. The handle for the door doesn't work properly, so the cat can push it open, but I can just put a piece of clothing between the door so he can't open it, so that probably won't be a problem. So I've read the 2 stickies that you sent me plus some that caught my attention...(..Why couldn't I have found this forum before..)..So.. Should I continue with just holding the hand in the cage?..
Sadly, the cage is pretty much falling apart from the bottom (it's badly made, but unless you grab the cage from the top, this should be fine.. And the cage litterally only has wooden dowel and plastic type perches. I have not seen any "natural wood" perches from the pet shops near us, but than again I've only visited a few..If other stores somewhy don't have any either, I'll use amazon..
(Wow, I didn't think so many people would be willing to help.. Thank you so much.. )
(mh, ignore the stickers on the drawers and on the tv.. That's my sister's doing..)
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The cabinet where the TV is is a perfect place to put the cage, if you find a new place to put the TV Budgies like to be at or above eye level, which is similar to the trees they perch in.
As for perches, yes, you can find some on Amazon Just search "grapevine perches for birds" or "manzanita wood perches for birds" and you'll get some good results.
I'm sorry about your family situation, and I hope that things are able to calm down soon, for both your and Jack's sake. Most likely your sister will soon forget about Jack again, since she doesn't seem to care about him normally.
Since you're making some big changes to Jack's life, starting with a change in location, I would start at the very beginning. This means giving him a week or so to settle in, and during this time, spend as much time as you can just being in the room with him and talking to him, so he continues to get used to your presence.
After he's used to that, you should move a chair by his cage and spend lots of time sitting there until he's used to that, and then place a hand on the outside of the cage several times per day until he's used to that. Only move on to the next step when he's able to relax, move around, and chirp in your presence.
After he's used to your hand on the outside of the cage, moving to placing your hand in the cage as far away from him is a good next step. As he gets used to that over a period of time (could take days, or it could take weeks. Patience is key!), you can slowly move your hand closer and closer.
It will be challenging, but you have the right mindset to truly bond with little Jack. Best of luck!
and Princess Mallorn!
Thank you to Deb for her wonderful Faery magic
Is your sister younger than you?
Perhaps you could make a game to help her learn how to help you care for Jack properly.
Many times the way you present things makes a big difference in how they are received.
If there is anyway you could get a simple lock for the inside of your door to keep the cats out, that would be great
It would be a good idea to have on on the outside of the door as well to lock the door when you are not in the room and not around.
For now, I would simply sit next to Jack's cage and read, talk or sing to him. Do this for a couple of weeks so he becomes used to your presence.
Then you can begin resting your hand on the outside of the cage when you talk to him.
Sessions of 10-15 minutes 3 or 4 times a day would be ideal.
After several weeks, you can rest your hand inside the cage when you talk to him.
Don't move your hand and don't try to touch him.
Just let him get used to the idea the hand is in "his" space and is not hurting him, trying to grab him or trying to touch him in any way.
This week 'your mission, should you choose to accept it...' is to start to add vegetables to Jack's cage!
To be clear, you're not aiming to have Jack eating vegetables by the end of the week; that is the ultimate goal but it's a difficult one that often takes a lot of patience to achieve.
You are simply trying to create a habit in yourself, of offering vegetables daily, in the hope that Jack will eventually decide to have a nibble.
Remove any of those 'seed & honey type treat sticks' and you need to begin to limit the amount of seed Jack has, to two teaspoons of seed a day. You may have read about pellets - pellets are good but can be quite expensive so I think that you should save your resources for when you look at improving Jack's cage accessories etc, and you should forget about pellets for now.
So, what do you need?
An alarm clock - on a school day, set it to wake up an extra 5-10 minutes early to care for Jack:
Quick spot clean of the cage (we'll get to this later)
Empty seed remains from yesterday
Replace seed dish with 2 teaspoons of new seed
Add vegetable(s) - that are ready in the fridge from yesterday.
When you get back from school, you can remove the vegetables (before they spoil) and clean the dish (if a dish was used) ready for tomorrow.
Some vegetables can be clipped (clothes peg) to the bars e.g. A leaf of romaine lettuce or chunk of carrot, others will need a dish.
Do you have a spare food dish? If not, have a search through the cupboards for something, before asking to buy. You need something quite small & shallow and sturdy enough not to tip over if Jack perches on it. Something glass, food safe ceramic or stainless steel and not painted. A little ramekin dish or a tiny glass jar (like those that cafes would have for individual jam portions) would be fine. Something larger would be ok but you'll need to find a spot in the cage to put it, that isn't beneath a perch and so less likely to be pooped upon.
What foods to try?
From reading this forum, I'd say that the vegetables most owners have had success with are, romaine lettuce, sweet corn, broccoli and grated carrots.
I know that you're not in charge of grocery shopping and you've said that your family doesn't have much spare money but a budgie is tiny, he doesn't need much.
Create a fresh veggie scraps box - e.g. A used butter/margarine tub cleaned out, with 'Jack' written on the lid. Whatever vegetables you're eating that day, add a few pieces to Jack's tub, ready for the next morning (few exceptions, see link below). If your mother cuts the ends off carrots, pop them in the tub, similarly with the tops of peppers (he can eat the seeds too). If you have peas or sweet corn for your dinner, give a teaspoon for Jack. Hopefully, this approach will work best for getting all of your family on board, and if Jack ignores the vegetables for months then it isn't going to feel like it's wasteful. After you've eaten your evening meal, you can finely chop up Jack's pieces and leave in the fridge, ready to put in the cage in the morning.
Read the link below to take careful note of which foods to avoid: https://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutritio...s-budgies.html
It might be a good idea to write out the 'Foods to avoid list' and stick it on the lid of Jack's veggie tub for everyone preparing meals to quickly see. With a bit of luck, members of your family will quickly get into the habit of bringing Jack's tub onto the counter when they're preparing meals.
..So I waited a bit untill writing a reply (mainly because I didn't want to waste any room with just saying "yep, i've got this" and because the bonding part of course takes some time.)...Things don't seem to be going as smoothly as I would have hoped.. Although I've started giving Jack 2 teaspoons of seeds everyday instead of just giving him a random amount, my mother has been giving him extra, saying i've given him way too little. (I'll sort that out, no need to worry) Although I love the scrap box idea, i seem to be the only one adding food there. To be honest, our family doesn't even have dinners or such -- we have 'treasure hunts' whenever she brings a bag of 'food home.. So untill that becomes a thing, I can't really use leftovers.. I've begged mom to buy the things you said (broccoli, carrots, sweet corn and romaine lettuce. When that finally becomes a routine, i could maybe add more food that was mensioned) So I've started taking carrots home from school's lunch time (they usually have pieces of carrot for just snacking, they hopefully don't mind)..I havn't really done more than cleaned the bottom of the cage everyday..Sorry for that, I don't really know what else I could do besides washing /wiping every single thing in the cage (including the cage).. I'm afraid it would scare Jack quite a bit to have my hand be there cleaning/taking things out and putting them in for like half an hour, so I'm just gonna wait for your response.. Although I said to put the cage where the tv is (hopefully it'll be there before the month ends), others are against this. As a result, I've had to try bonding with him on the floor for time being, just laying there so he'd be above me.. He has started to move and talk more while I'm in the room.. Unless I make deep eye contact, he will not mind me..I think.. The shivering of the tail is always there, but at this point I'm convinsed that he's sick,(what can I do?, I can't take him to the vet, I'm not sure if we even have one near us and mother just wont allow to ''waste'' money on the vet..) Now I'm not sure what to do.. Although it was said to wait weeks before holding a hand on the cage, maybe.. maybe I can move to the next step? He seems to be quite chill.. Would show videos, but I don't know how.. same with putting more than one picture in the reply..
The current times for things are: The blanket gets taken off at 6am and gets putten back on at 8pm (I dont go to sleep at that time, but if budgies really need to sleep at least 10 hours a day than I'm willing to aswell) The feeding and all the other things are done when I wake up, so that's that.. and the reading would be at 7pm, 1 hour before his "bedtime".. Is that good?
My sister is younger than me, but she acts like she's the oldest..While I've never made a game before and certinly don't know how to program, I guess it'd be learnable..? But my sister isn't exactly a person to play video games.. She's kind of a barbie that uses musical.ly (She's like the exact opposite of me, I don't understand how we're sisters.. .-. )
I did get 10 euros from my mother for preforming in 2 events, so I at least have a bit pocket money to spend.. So, should I buy the perches or make them?(talking about the price) Im not the best at DIY, so if store bought perches will have more quality or just be more durable because I'm not capable of creating quality(never tried though), than why not spend a little more.. Or maybe I could buy a lock for the door, although my mother seems to hate that idea..
Here's a problem: my sister wants to get a second budgie.. I KNOW, it's a terriable idea to take another in when she can't even deal with one of them.. Her reasoning was that her first 'attempt' failed (that being Jack) so she wants a new one to 'try again'.. Her willingness to give up on Jack so easily, it just.. disgusts me.. I asked her if that would really happen, would I get to have Jack as mine, she said no.. I asked her what she'd do with Jack after she'd get a new bird as she called Jack a failed attempt before, she awnsered "nothing, he'll just sit in that cage untill he dies" ... I'm gonna continue working against this, I do not want her to repeat history with a new bird.
..I'm sorry for not making much progress.. There are just so many things that are in the way.. (mostly family) I'll continue begging my mother to buy at least some vegetables mensioned, I really don't want to give up on that idea..
..Sorry for the reply being really messy and out of order (not that there was an order) I'm not good at writing..
(Wow, the amount of times I use the word "mother" is worrying.. ._.)
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Ari, you're trying your best and you should be proud of that fact. Your family life sounds quite difficult and you can only do so much. I really hope that your sister doesn't get another bird. I can't understand the logic of a possible 2nd pet when your family is struggling to afford to look after the first. If she likes singing, you could encourage her to sing to Jack.
You don't need to go to bed at the same time as Jack, covering his cage is fine, just try to keep any tv volume low.
'I havn't really done more than cleaned the bottom of the cage everyday..Sorry for that, I don't really know what else I could do besides washing /wiping every single thing in the cage (including the cage).. I'm afraid it would scare Jack quite a bit to have my hand be there cleaning/taking things out and putting them in for like half an hour, so I'm just gonna wait for your response..'
You need to read his behaviour to see how much is too much. How does Jack respond when you clean the bottom of the cage? Talk gently as you approach the cage and keep gently chatting any nonsense as you open the cage to clean the bottom and change food/water. Move slowly, no sudden movements and keep your hand closed as it enters the cage. Hold still and give him chance to hop out of the way if he's near where you need to be and looks like he's about to panic. Give him every opportunity to see that 'the hand' is just going about its own business and not coming to him. If the items in the cage are dirty, then do take them out and clean them, just make sure to move slowly and give Jack chance to move away; make sure he's always got somewhere to go though i.e. Don't empty the cage - replace an item before removing more.
'As a result, I've had to try bonding with him on the floor for time being, just laying there so he'd be above me.. He has started to move and talk more while I'm in the room.. '
That's a good sign!
'Although it was said to wait weeks before holding a hand on the cage, maybe.. maybe I can move to the next step?'
If he seems to cope with your daily interventions in the cage without any panic, then I think you can move on to the resting your hand on, and then in, the cage stage. Just remember little and often is best and don't be tempted to push it further.
Take a look at this thread: https://talkbudgies.com/housing-budgi...ng-dowels.html
This member did a really great job, though she had a strong sharp knife and sanded the perch down well afterwards. I'm assuming you won't have the necessary tools to do this, and if you don't have suitable tools you could leave the dowel perch too rough or even snap it. I was wondering... do you have any woodwork teachers at your school? If so, could you perhaps show him/her the photo in the link and ask if he would mind helping you do the same? Worth a try, they can only say no.
You can make your own perches if you are sure that they're from a safe wood tree & that it hasn't been sprayed with chemicals. https://talkbudgies.com/do-yourself/3...d-budgies.html. This sticky also tells you how to clean them.
You don't need to add metal fixings, you can just thread them through the bars - though I've found them easier to stabilise, if I've used a branch that is forked.
It's difficult to tell you more about improving the cage without knowing what you currently have. You've mention that most things are breaking, I'm tempted to suggest a swing but maybe it would be wise to hold on to your euros for now and keep a close eye on eBay/ gumtree to look for second hand cages? I've seen quite a few in my area for an equivalent price. If you found a good bargain locally, zoom in carefully on any photos looking for rust and other faults.
Do NOT go to a sellers home by yourself under any circumstances.
With regards to help with diet, take a look at this video: Green Treats for Budgies & Pet Birds are Weeds to Many 170810 - YouTubeAnd then read through this article, taking note of places to avoid picking wild food. Budgies, Bliss and Seeding Grass
Obviously you don't want to pick something, if you're not 100% sure that you have identified it correctly. I haven't found any fresh grass seeds that are dangerous, and daisy flowers, clover leaves, dandelion flowers & leaves are easy to identify (note that in the video, he only picked the fluffy white dandelion head in order to collect the seeds so that he could grow dandelions, the birds don't eat those).
Perhaps it would be possible for your to get your mother to read some of the information on the forum. If she understands the importance of a balanced and healthy diet for Jack, maybe she'll get on-board.
As your sister is younger than you and unwilling to learn about best practices, I hope your mother will recognize that getting another budgie is not advisable.
You may contact me via Private Message.
If your mother does not wish to join the forum to learn but is willing to correspond with me via email, I will provide you with my email address.
In your PM to me, let me know where you are located and I'll try to research where you can get some reasonably prices natural wood perches for him.
If you feel Jack is willing for you to rest your hand on the outside of his cage at this point, that is perfectly fine.
You can also try playing the "blinking" game with him. Look at him and then slowly blink your eyes. Do this several times and see if he will begin to blink back at you.
By the way, when I was talking about a "game" to help your sister learn, I wasn't talking about making a video game, I meant a "learning" by practice/experience type game.
JRS is giving you excellent advice and suggestions!
...Something amazing just happened.. Jack decided to try the romaine lettuce I hanged up!! (today I went and bought everything but sweet corn ) (I kind of regret taking the top leaf.. although it was fresh since I bought it just today, it doesn't look as good as the leaves inside.. I honestly didnt expect him to even try it any time soon, especially in my presence..) He didn't take that much, but it's still something, right? Jack doesn't really like going on the floor, so I'm guessing that's why he hasn't tried any of the vegetables on the bowl thingie.. (I thought I'd wait a bit longer to at least have some more progress done, but I'm just too excited..)
I think I've been playing the blinking game unknowingly..at least I think that's what that was when we were kind of doing a contest on who can hold their eyes closed longer.. or he was just falling asleep, though everytime I'd open my eyes, he'd either open his eyes a second later, still have them closed or just have them open and close them right when I open mine.. How slow is the blinking sepose to be exactly? I might just be talking nonsense..
My mother is a really busy/stressed person, she usually just goes to work early and when she comes home she'll fall asleep.I tried asking her yesterday if she would be willing to look into the forum for some info on taking care of budgies, and I asked her this morning, but she just ignored me and continued her things.. Though she seems to be quite annoyed of the general topic of budgies since I've kind of just pressed it on her (not litterally, I can't find the right words to describe what I'm trying to say) I'm having a hard time getting her interested on the topic, she's just sick of it at this point.. Tomorrow she has a free day so 'maybe' she'd be willing to spend some time reading, but I'm afraid the chances arn't big..
I asked my sister if she'd be willing to sing to Jack, her response was that she's done with Jack.. (Cruel..) At least my mother has some common sence as she refused to buy a second bird at the last second after I managed to convince her.. So that's good..
I don't know if it's a good thing or not, but he has sometimes started chirping back when I talk, sing or whistle..(i guess..? honestly I can't tell the real diffrience between a chirp or a squack (or any sound) since I don't really know what it's sepose to sound like..the descriptions I've read don't really help..) I don't know, maybe he's telling me to shut up, but I thought I'd just mension it for no reason.. He also has started making a wierd sound like he'd be eating something.. but he's not.. I guess that might be "beak grinding", can't be sure..
I don't know if it would be safe to give any of the plants near me to Jack.. The plants are way too dirty from cars and generally just.. people stepping on them.. Would all the dirty stuff come off if I just wash it with hot (but probably not boiling) water?..
I don't really know if theres a law against breaking tree branches, so uh.. Do I need to visit like a forest or can I just visit a park for that..? I mean, the country is 52,6% full of trees, so noone would probably mind, but I'm too socially anxious to go to a public place and just start breaking a tree.. ._.
Since the cage is so badly made, it doesn't sit on the floor correctly and makes the whole cage shake like one of those rocking chairs.. So whenever I slightly touch the cage with little force or put/take something out, it will move.. Of course he can't trust my arm when I'm the one who appears to be making mini earthquakes..
I was lucky enough to catch Jack eating the lettuce.. on video.. also he was shaking his tail a bit at the start (not as much as he usually does though), so maybe someone could explain why that's a thing.. Sorry for the background and overall bad quality, Jack doesn't like the phone being shown at him, so I was quite lucky to get to record even that.. (also ignore the little "ss" i made at the start :/ ) It's noaticable that the cage is dirty. When I said that I have cleaned the bottom of the cage everyday, I ment that little floor plate thingie you can slide out and in. This video was taken before I read your responses, so up untill now, I hadn't cleaned much else. ..Jack is eating lettuce.. - YouTube
Even though it's not a huge accomplishment to some, it is for me..
..So heres the cage with all the things currently inside of it. The cage may not look broken, but it is.. (no I didn't have a thing to clip the lettuce with) ..I know I know I know, this is pathetic. But I wasn't allowed to decorate at the time, my sister was in charge of that! (Yes, I know that cube toy isn't even ment for budgies, sister thought it'd be a good idea.) As you can see, I have not managed to replace tv's place with the cage..yet..
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Yayyy! Well done to the both of you
That's brilliant, and he was definitely eating it and going back for more. My birds tend to part eat and part just shred their veggies, so don't be expecting a whole leaf to disappear.
'I think I've been playing the blinking game unknowingly...
...How slow is the blinking sepose to be exactly? I might just be talking nonsense'
The blinking game is just when you start to blink slowly & repeatedly (say your eye closed for a full second) and if they're playing, they'll start to do the same - mirroring you.
'My mother .... has a free day so 'maybe' she'd be willing to spend some time reading, but I'm afraid the chances arn't big'
Maybe it will work better to change your approach, be really excited and show her the video of Jack, saying how glad you are to see him happily enjoying some fresh food.
'...her response was that she's done with Jack'
Fantastic, can you get that in writing (joke )
'my mother has some common sence as she refused to buy a second bird'
'I don't know if it's a good thing or not, but he has sometimes started chirping back when I talk, sing or whistle'
It's a very good thing!
'He also has started making a wierd sound like he'd be eating something.. but he's not.. I guess that might be "beak grinding", can't be sure..'
It sounds like it from your description, and it would usually occur when he's resting or starting to have a snooze..... and is a lovely sign of contentment.
'I don't know if it would be safe to give any of the plants near me to Jack.. The plants are way too dirty from cars and generally just.. people stepping on them.. '
Ari, that why I posted the second link that suggested where to & not to pick them, I was thinking of the likes of large grassy areas of parkland. If you are managing to get other foods then that's great.
'I don't really know if theres a law against breaking tree branches, so uh.. Do I need to visit like a forest or can I just visit a park for that..? I mean, the country is 52,6% full of trees, so noone would probably mind, but I'm too socially anxious to go to a public place and just start breaking a tree'
No, don't risk getting into trouble please, but you could ask any friends with gardens if they had suitable trees. No woodwork classes?
'Since the cage is so badly made, it doesn't sit on the floor correctly and makes the whole cage shake like one of those rocking chairs.. So whenever I slightly touch the cage with little force or put/take something out, it will move.. Of course he can't trust my arm when I'm the one who appears to be making mini earthquakes'
Hmmm, if you can manage to move the cage to where your TV is, then you can rest it against the drawers, wall and wardrobe so that 3 sides of the cube are supported - that might help stabilise it a bit more.
I can't see any notable tail wagging in the video.
'Jack doesn't like the phone being shown at him, so I was quite lucky to get to record even that'
I think he's doing pretty well there considering that the only background noise is a clock.
The lettuce is hanging fine by itself, no problem.
'Yes, I know that cube toy isn't even ment for budgies, sister thought it'd be a good idea'
The cube toy isn't that bad. The problem with rope toys is mainly from birds being trapped by loose threads and the reason why members are advised to trim any fringes short. Does Jack play with the toy - climb on it, chew on the blocks, preen the fringes etc? If it were mine, I would probably take it to pieces and then just rethread the beads onto 1 or 2 shorter strands, so that no rope is showing between the beads and with just a short fringe below the knot at the end. You could add other things between the beads..... do you have those plastic bottles for milk? If you threaded a couple of those plastic lids upside down amongst the beads, you could place a few seeds in there to encourage him to search for his food (forage) and to take an interest in the toy.
Does Jack actually use his ladder in that place? I'm thinking that you could hook it over a horizontal bar on a side panel and have the bottom end of it resting over the lowest dowel perch. So that it's at a 45* angle. You could then hang tasty treats (i.e. Romaine lettuce) beside it to encourage him to use it. Looking for positives, you have the wooden dowels, the top plastic perch and the ladder that are all at least different diameters, so that's better than them all being the same.
If/when you feel that you have spare money to buy more perches or a swing, then let us know & we'll try to find something in your budget.
Going back to the video, at the end when he was taking a drink I thought perhaps he was trying to flick some water on his head. Have you tried to offer him a chance to bathe? See if you can find a little dish or saucer that will fit through that door with just a little water in the bottom.
As for mini earthquakes, well I suppose any rattley noises might be off putting but remember, trees DO sway in the breeze
I think you're making great progress, remember that many vegetables can be frozen so don't let them waste by going bad. Keep a look out for any holiday jobs etc and for any second hand cages.
Best of luck Ari
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