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Old 12-12-2018, 05:47 AM
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So I bought a new budgie a few months ago and for some reason she bonded to me almost within a day. Apparently the budgie was always curious to humans, even from the pet shop.

So once I got her, she was really easy to tame. Here's a video her on day 1 or 2 I think? It's been a while:

https://youtu.be/-U9-bAe9ueA

And 3 video's from last month:

- https://youtu.be/1pU0n6c6G3U
- https://youtu.be/g0O1Ql88JUg
- https://youtu.be/wdkcEmZXaQE

I call her Happy as she's almost always very happy. She's very gentle, and loves to be hugged.

- https://youtu.be/r7vyxrx75wA

She always flies to me, she even feeds me (Regurgitating) and usually bends her head in the cage for me to pet her. She always wants to get out of the cage as most of the time she keeps jumping on the cage to show interests:

- https://youtu.be/tMERPaESG7w

However.. There appears to be a slight (or rather big) problem. From my search on the internet, she's very, very jealous. Whenever there is some one else (besides me) getting near the cage, she's making an angry sound. Whenever she is out of the cage and randomly flying to me wife, she starts biting her. After I attempt to pick her up (the budgie, not my wife ) she continues to bite me until she relaxes a little bit and goes back to the happy bird that she normally is.

https://youtu.be/4KJM0zVJM3U <- example of her biting me when I got her from my wife

Can someone give me some idea or suggestion to help with this behavior?

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The first thing I noticed so I have to address it, is the wooden dowel perches in Happy's cage.
I recommend you remove those and replace them with natural wood perches of varying diameters to help prevent pressure sores.

Pressure Sores

The thread below shows examples of better options of perches for little Happy:

Essentials for a Great Cage

With regard to the random biting when Happy flies to your wife: How old is Happy at this point in time?
She may be going through her hormonal teenage phase and many budgies become more "bitey" during that stage.

With regard to people other than you approaching Happy's cage -- are these people Happy knows?
Do they talk to her calmly and reassuringly as they are approaching her?
She could be reacting the way she is simply because she does not trust those individuals if they aren't someone she interacts with on a regular basis.

The last video shows her biting as you are trying to pick her up in her cage.
That particular biting is Happy letting you know you are invading her space and she doesn't want to be bothered right then. It would be better for you to give her time and space and let her choose to come to you when she's ready to do so.
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The first thing I noticed so I have to address it, is the wooden dowel perches in Happy's cage. I recommend you remove those and replace them with natural wood perches of varying diameters to help prevent pressure sores.
She actually has a wooden dowel, though only one. I still need to replace the other one ^_^, but thanks!

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With regard to the random biting when Happy flies to your wife: How old is Happy at this point in time?
She may be going through her hormonal teenage phase and many budgies become more "bitey" during that stage.
Hard to say, not great with telling ages. But I'd say around 3/4 months orso. Biting has been going on for a long time.

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With regard to people other than you approaching Happy's cage -- are these people Happy knows?
Do they talk to her calmly and reassuringly as they are approaching her?
She could be reacting the way she is simply because she does not trust those individuals if they aren't someone she interacts with on a regular basis.
Complete stranger, just noticed this when someone visited and wanted to mention it. Guess happy doesn't like strangers.

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The last video shows her biting as you are trying to pick her up in her cage.
That particular biting is Happy letting you know you are invading her space and she doesn't want to be bothered right then. It would be better for you to give her time and space and let her choose to come to you when she's ready to do so.
I wasn't trying to pick her up actually ^_^, wanted to record a video of the sound and aggression happy made. Maybe I wasn't clear enough with my main thread, sorry about that. She never puts out aggression ever to me with only 1 exception. When she flies to my wife she (happy) instantly bites her. At that point, happy is in an aggressive mood, even towards me. From my hand when I attempt to pick her up, to inside the cage. The video shows that aggressive moment when I picked her up from my wife back into the cage.

Regardless if I keep her in my hand or in the cage, she tends to relax after a few minutes and at that point she's really nice to me again. Not trying to contradict you or anything as you are more familiar with budgies than I am, but "invading her space" doesn't seem fit in this scenario as biting only happens when she flies to my wife for some reason. Maybe to 'attack' her? as she might think my wife is a threat?

Happy tends to bite me as well (not as aggressive though) when I eg, play on my mobile or type on the keyboard as well. It's like she only wants me to give her attention and nothing else, even objects.

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Thanks for the clarifications, that definitely helps.

It does sound as though Happy is being particularly aggressive toward your wife and you are most probably correct about it being possessiveness (jealousy) in that Happy wants you all to herself.

As far as I know, that isn't too common in budgies, but I can attest that it is very common with lovebirds!

Some birds do bond very strongly with one person to the point where they see that person as their "mate".
They then become aggressive/territorial toward other people/birds/animals. Unfortunately, it sounds as though that may be the case with Happy.
Her aggressiveness toward you after she's attacked your wife is Happy showing he displeasure toward you in allowing a rival for her affection to be present. The same when you aren't paying attention to her and instead are typing or using your mobile. Happy does want your undivided attention. Sometimes you may have to give her a time-out in her cage -- she does need to learn to entertain herself and play with her toys, etc. without you.

I don't have any great remedies for you but would suggest trying to have your wife bond with Happy when you aren't present.
Let her start out as if Happy is a new bird to your home and just sit by her cage and read, talk and sing to her.
Then, progress to laying her hand on the side of the cage when she does these things and gradually move to the point where she attempts to allow Happy to eat from her hand.
The hope is that if Happy comes to recognize and accept your wife as part of her flock rather than a threat and rival for your affection her animosity toward your wife will diminish.

Hopefully, some of the other members will have some ideas to suggest as well.

Best wishes!
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Thanks FaeryBee!

Problem is my wife is a bit afraid of being bitten and prefers not to be around the budgie when it's out of the cage. I'll try my best though.

Do you happen to know the following problem which might be jealous as well?

https://youtu.be/IzpjZy_8vMg (Everything is fine)
https://youtu.be/XdbUJM3P_wU (Happens when I touch the bell)

You can see after a little bit I stopped touching the bell, she stops biting me as well. She also makes that sound randomly whenever she's playing alone with the bell.
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She definitely does not want you touching "her" bell.
The cage is her home and her safe space.
Many birds become territorial when it comes to their possessions.

Remember, when she is inside her cage she believes the toys, perches, etc. belong to her and it is very important that you respect her space.

I would not touch the bell when you have your hand in her cage, doing so is teasing her and encouraging her to be aggressive.

With regard to your wife - let her start slowly with Happy and spend time with her when Happy is inside her cage.
Your wife does not need to try to touch her. Just sitting next to the cage and talking to Happy, singing or reading to her on a regular basis will help Happy come to accept and trust her over time. In a few weeks Happy will probably come to the side of the cage near your wife when she's there and then your wife can move on to the next steps when she feels comfortable.

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So let me get this right...

Happy thinks I am hers, and the toys are hers as well and nothing is for me? . That's one very clingy bird. The video above was inside the cage, though she randomly does it as well when outside the cage, but I assume that would fall under the "jealousy" and I should give happy attention instead.

It's kind of interesting to see she only acts that way to a bell, though the rest of the toys she's never "aggressive" so to speak. It's just the bell. Any idea as to why?

As for your suggestions, I'll share it with her, appreciate the replies!
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Yes, you are correct.
You belong to Happy and her toys and cage also belong to Happy. You are there only to love and care for her and, of course, cater to ALL her needs!

Many budgies LOVE bells and I've had birds who became "possessive" of them as well.
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