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Old 07-11-2019, 10:21 AM
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As some of you know, I had to separate one of my budgies, Celeste, from her parents, Sid and Stella, because Stella was aggressive towards her.

Over the past month and a half Celeste has had her own cage, in a different room than her parents. However, she still spends a lot of time running left to right on the perches, even when the cage is open, because she wants to leave the room and reach Sid and Stella, but she can't because the room door is closed.
Almost every time she hears Sid singing (very often) or calling she does that and starts to call him back again and again.

Now I ask you, is this stressful for Celeste? If so, what should I do?
There are no rooms far enough away from Celeste's to make it impossible for her to hear them.
And making them meet is not an option, even if they are in their cage and Celeste is free, Stella can still bite her toes through the bars.
Perhaps I could move Sid and Stella to the balcony, since the climate of where I live would allow me to keep them outside for almost the whole year. I know it is risky but they "hate" humans and just need the company of each other and someone who changes their food, water and paper on the bottom of the cage, so I think they would be okay outside.
So if moving them there also helps Celeste (as she would hardly hear them) perhaps it is the right thing to do.
What do you think?
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Old 07-11-2019, 03:45 PM
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Can you keep the radio or TV on to try to cancel out the sounds that Sid is making? I would not put the birds on the balcony, I do not feel it is a safe place for them.
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The TV in the room where Sid and Stella are is often on, but it is not loud enough to cancel out Sid's singing and calling. And there is no TV or radio in the room where Celeste is.

I know keeping them outside would make them vulnerabile to predators, but there is little to no risk.
I live on a third floor apartament, so they are safe from land predators (cats, rats, snakes,...). The only risk would be the flying ones, but they are either absent (birds of prey) or rare and usually not even brave enough to land on balconies (magpies and crows).
I would also put on the balcony some birds deterrents (not harmful or visibile to the budgies, obviously) to avoid that they come in contact with harmless birds that could carry diseases (pigeons, blackbirds and sparrows, but only the first ones run the risk of landing on the balconies).
Do you think it is enough?
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Old 07-13-2019, 05:48 AM
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I think I have found a way to protect my budgies from birds that could attack them or transmit diseases while they are outside.
I could put the cage in one of these garden/balcony greenhouses:
https://m.made-in-china.com/product/...734368312.html
Some of them are covered by a mesh, which would not allow other birds to touch my budgies and, at the same time, would let air in.
What do you think?
My neighbors use a similar greenhouse to protect the cage of their budgies.

I know it would be better to keep them inside (I was terrified after reading threads about budgies attacked, carried away and killed by predators while they were outdoors unsupervised) but I don't think there is something else I could do to avoid that Celeste hears her parents and consequently gets stressed.
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I have one of those greenhouses and they are quite small so would only fit a small cage. Also, the cover is plastic so it gets hot when the sun hits it. I get a lot of wild birds visit me (yes, I feed them), including large cockatoos and they jump all over the greenhouse and eat it, so if you have large birds in your area, the greenhouse wouldn’t deter them from getting to your budgies if they really want to.


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Old 07-14-2019, 10:11 AM
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I ordered a greenhouse that is 69 x 49 x 95 cm, it has one shelf that can be either moved higher or removed.
Sid and Stella's cage is 52 x 41 x 55/71 cm (it has two roofs) so it will surely fit, and I am thinking about buying a Finca Pequeno cage, that is 76 x 45 x 45, for them, to allow them to move and fly more as they will get very little out-of-cage time.
It is slightly longer than the greenhouse but I think it could fit too.

I will obviously make sure that a part of the cage will be always shaded, even with direct sunlight, so that they won't suffer from the heat.
The plastic will only cover three sides of the cage, and I will put a mesh on the front one.

Even if the greenhouse won't keep wild birds (but, as I said, only pigeons are brave enough to land on balconies out of all the bird species here) away, it will be impossible for them to touch Sid and Stella.

Also, keep in mind that it will only be temporary, as in a year I will move to another city to go to university and I will take Celeste with me, so Sid and Stella will be kept inside again with no problem as they will stay here (my family will take care of them).

While I don't like endangering them like this, I think this is the only way to avoid further stress for Celeste.
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I do not like the idea of the plastic on 3 sides it will make the structure act like an oven even if there is no direct sun on it, you need to have air circulation so if you are going ahead with this you at least must make sure there is proper air circulation and just having one side without plastic does not provide that.
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Thank you, I don't know how I didn't realize that.

I will remove the plastic and use it during winter (and maybe during part of spring or autumn if the temperature is too low) and I will cover the structure of the greenhouse with a mesh during the rest of the year. Sid and Stella will still be protected and they will have enough air circulation.
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I'm just now reading this. I would not put them in a greenhouse! A greenhouse is designed to keep plants hot in cool temperatures. It would be like putting your pet in a hot car in the summer, and then they die of heatstroke. The heat also cuts down on oxygen and they suffocate. Please don't do it. Why don't you give Celeste to someone who can take care of her and give her the attention she needs? She should not be locked away all alone in some room all day. Birds are flock animals and need interaction, either from their human flock or bird flock. Otherwise, put them back together where they can see and chirp to each other but are not flying loose at the same time. Celeste will be much happier if she sees her parents. If she lands on the cage and Sid bites her toes, she will have to learn not to land on the cage. Or have their flying time in separate rooms during the day but put them back in the same room next to each other in closed cages in the evening when they're eating and the cages are closed. Good luck and let us know how it works out!
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As I said, I will remove the plastic of the greenhouse and use it only when it is cold. For the rest of the year I will cover the greenhouse steel support, on which Sid and Stella's cage will be, with a mesh.
In this way, it won't be too hot or lack air circulation.

I give Celeste the attention she needs. I basically spend the whole day, from morning to evening, in the room where she is (my bedroom). I interact with her as much as possible, and so do my relatives, and she likes our company, she loves to get head scratches from us and even gives scratches to us on our noses. She also tries to regurgitate seeds to us.

Celeste didn't understand that staying near Sid and Stella is bad idea. I separated her from her parents almost two months ago because of the difficult relationship between her and her mother.
Stella hates to have Celeste around, and when they were in the same cage, the first one attacked the second one making her fall to the bottom of the cage. Sometimes Celeste simply jumped to the bottom of the cage when Stella got near her, because she was afraid of her.
And in all this, Sid gave attention to Stella as he always did and basically ignored Celeste, so it's not like she had a good relationship with her father either.

Despite this, she still wants to reach them. And just like she didn't learn to stay away from them, she won't learn to not land on the cage. The need to stay with her own kind is stronger than everything else, this is why I think the best thing to do would be to allow her to see or hear them as little as possible.
Putting the cages next to each other would only be stressful for Celeste, as she would be so close to them but unable to reach them; they would ignore her just like they did when she was with them, leaving her out while singing and giving head scratches to each other. And it would also waste time she could spend out of her cage.
Celeste can be happy with us, her human flock, and hearing and seeing her parents (who don't even like her) doesn't help.
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