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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:23 PM
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Hello, well I have 2 birds currently, 1 male, and 1 female. The male is Violet, and as the name suggests he is of a violet colour, he is a common bird in regards to colour, though his personality is fabulous, he talks English, etc. His vent is perfectly clean and white, though the problem lies with my other bird Snowy, she is a White albino, not a pure, (no red eyes), her personality is quite different, she is scared of new stuff, which is quite natural, she is extremely active in the cage don't get me wrong there, she is a ripper, they are a couple, they are over the age of 1, nearly hitting 2 this May, they are both in breeding condition, I have a lot much (never enough lol) and do know of quite a lot of things that could go wrong, they are currently being fed on an Egg and Biscuit formula, Seeds, Pellets, Calcivet sup in the water cleaned and washed daily, variety of fruits and veggies, Cuttlebones, and mineral blocks. Before I bought Snowy she was as active as ever, (Note: I didnít buy them from normal pet shops, I bought them from a breeder, they are not inbred birds nor are they related) though the day I brought her back I noticed a yellow vent, it disappeared soon after she settled in, though it is now back and she has had it for quite a few weeks, her poop is fine, she doesnít seem to have trouble at all pooping, though I am still concerned for her heath, I am booking an appointment with an Avian vet, I know him personally before, (not the first time going, since I was too scared to trim heir nails I took it to a vet lol) though before I go anything you guys can suggest or at least tell what I should do, or just take her to a Vet, also to point out comparing her vent to Violets, she has a substantial amount of more feathers than Violet, maybe those feathers are covering her vent, and need trimming. Well I look forward to any advice!

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Old 04-26-2016, 02:24 AM
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Hello Martin, there are several factors that could contribute to a dirty vent. I am no professional, but my suggestions come from my 7 years experience with budgies.
From your description, it seems that she may be stressed. Especially if you only just got her.
I would suggest that, if she is not already, you should move her and her partner into a quiet room, with not as much light, and try to make it as comfortable as you can for her. Try not to bother her too much, and let her calm down.
If her vent is still dirty, she may be ill or it may be as you said, a result of long vent feathers. Is she an English budgie? Many English budgies will need to have their vent feathers trimmed, especially if you plan on breeding.
Sticking to the subject of breeding, I would advise that you do not breed her, until she is well settled at her new home, and she shows no signs of stress. Furthermore, until you find out the cause and have a good solution for her dirty vent, you should not be breeding her.
Otherwise, you do seem to have most aspects of breeding covered, but make sure that you don't stop researching. I know there are a lot of good stickies on these forums that you should check out.
Speaking of stickies, here is a link to one that may help you with your female:
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Good luck, and please keep us updated.
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Old 04-26-2016, 07:28 AM
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Hello Lain, Thanks for your reply! Well her personality is quite like that, she just dosent like people around her that are new. Oh and for the 'settling in' I forgot to mention she is past that stage lol nearly a year past since she came in this house, forgot to say that, i bought her last year! She is super active in the cage, and loves to tear things up, though I just dont know why her personality is like that, she is easily stressed, as in she gets scared from anything that approches her, well I am an exception, though that's because I spend lots of time with hem everyday, feeding for them, playing with them, showering them, cleaning the cage, et. She is fine stepping up and on my shoulder, though if there are any sudden changes, such as z door quickly opening she flys distressed then lands back on my shoulder and calms down. It for sure isn't a sickness, and I do believe 99% it's stress relating to her personality, causing this dirty vent, I also had a good look at her vent and her feathers In the vent actually don't seem that bad at all, I made the other assumption being a possible over growing after a quick glimpse. Should I take them to another area for breeding? Well I need ideas to receive budgie stress. Thankyou!
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Hi Martin and to Talk Budgies

I'm glad to hear you are planning to take your budgies to an Avian Vet.

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma. This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment. This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

Distinction between an Avian Vet and a Vet that "Will See Birds"

Having your budgie examined by an Avian Vet allows you to develop a good relationship with the vet in case your bird needs care for an injury or illness in the future. Additionally, it is always helpful for the vet to have a baseline for your bird to refer to should it need future treatment.

You don't indicate if you've owned budgies in the past.
Although you bought these budgies from a breeder, know they are not related and are of age and in condition, do you know their personalities? Have you taken the time to bond with the birds so you can handle them if necessary?

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Hi Martin,
Violet and Snowy sound like a beautiful pair. Sorry Snowy isn't feeling well right now.
I hope she's better soon. We would love to see pictures of them!
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My Parakeet charlie had a dirty vent for about a week after I got her. The reason is probably stress, even though I'm no expert, I'm just saying from my experience. After about 2-3 weeks it went away and it's all good now.

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Will do! It's night time and I just got these notifications and my phone started making buzzing sounds in the middle of the night lol my android is crazy. Anyway I just woke up at 12 in the morning from my Android and I may as well reply, well thanks everyone, I'll be posting pictures tomorrow, well don't fully count on me tomorrow, it's a busy one! Will do my best! Also another quicky, I should've taken a pic of them today before they slept, they were next to eachother, awww, it was so adorable. Thanks anyway! Will keep updated.

Also forgot to add I have had them for countless months now.


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Hi, Ask the breeder the mutation. Pure white with black eyes is either a double factor spangle blue phase, or a white dark eye clear. If you put the white against the violet there will more than likely be a blue tint to any white birds chest. If breeding for show avoid white with any of the dark factors and instead put the white with a gray which will help with flashing on back of head and flecking on the white crown.

I would suggest trimming feathers around vent and the long feathers on the outside of legs. use blunt tip shears and have a second person hold the legs. Trim feathers until the pink skin is clear around the vent. Massage a drop of oil, olive etc. to soothe skin around the vent. It takes longer for feathers to grow back if you trim rather than pull feathers. If there are still dis colored feathers left, Get Re-Nu for contact lens wearers from pharmacy.It can be used on blood, carrot/beet / or droppings on the white feathers. Use a q-tip dipped in Re- Nu and rub on dis colored feathers then rinse in water. Repeat if still very dark . If discolor is light mist the bird and or provide water bath. The area will be white soon again.

I suggest adding Electrolyte and probiotics in drinking water and or on soft food. You can even give first dose by beak one or 2 drops. Check and record quality of droppings and the daily weight. If the bird is too light or too heavy or there is a pattern of a large trend up or down, The bird needs to see a vet. if the droppings are still abnormal after 3 days of the probiotic. Extra greens, drinking a lot of water , or stress can make the droppings abnormal. So withhold the greens and reduce disturbance around their cage. Bacteria can cause diarrhea. Probiotics may provide good bacteria to change the ph of the GI tract to favor the acidic ph of good bacteria and resists fungal organisms. Remember more than 3 days take bird to avian vet ASAP.

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Hi there, Martin! Welcome to Talk Budgies!

You've been given great advice so far. Snowy and Violet sound like a lovely couple, and looking at your list, you seem to be prepared to consider breeding in the future, although you should consider what Deb has asked, as well

Be sure to read though all the stickies and articles in every forum and subforum, especially the breeding section, to be sure you aren't missing anything If you have questions after reading through everything, be sure to ask as we'd love to help!

I'm glad you're in tune with her behaviour, and an avian vet visit will definitely rule out any illness. Since she is white (and JoAnn mentioned that if she doesn't have red eyes, she is either a blue series double factor spangle budgie (if she has irises) or a blue series dark eyed clear budgie (if she lacks discernible irises)), the feathers by her vent are stained more easily. Stress as well as moulting could cause runnier poop that may stick more to longer vent feathers and stain them yellow, even if she preens down there. Trimming the vent feathers may help, as JoAnn said.

Apple cider vinegar with the mother in it, as JoAnn also mentioned, is a wonderful natural probiotic and will help to maintain her intestinal tract healthy. For more information on how to use it, check out this link:
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Let us know what the vet says!

Oh, and we'd love to meet Snowy and Violet when you get a chance

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Oh and for the 'settling in' I forgot to mention she is past that stage lol nearly a year past since she came in this house, forgot to say that, i bought her last year! She is super active in the cage, and loves to tear things up, though I just dont know why her personality is like that, she is easily stressed, as in she gets scared from anything that approches her.
Hmmm. If she is like that, it is proabably best to move her to a quiet area of the house with little disturbance.
I would recommend taking to her to the avian vet just to make sure everything is okay.
You could also trim the vent feathers anyway, as both StarlingWings and Jo Ann have said, her feathers may stain more easily because of her mutation.
Kind Regards, and good luck.
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