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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.

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Hi, I have only recently registered to this group however I have visited this site in the past and have been meaning to sign up. Unfortunately my first post is an emergency post. -as its sunday we can't get to a vet and the out of hours avian vet won't see us as this bird isn't registered there.

I have a breeding pair who have recently had their 6 chicks finish hatching-all healthy and happy (and loud), the last one being two days old. But this morning we found daddy bird (also known as Duck) in the nest box with the chicks lying on his front struggling to keep his eyes open. He's normally a bit feisty with humans and is a known biter if you pick him up but today he was not himself and letting me stroke his head, put my hand near him to try and feed him (which he didn't except) and touch one of the older babies to move him away (who are starting to feather). After about 2 minutes of babies jumping around him to be fed he left the nest (we think he was there all night) and nearly fell off of the perch he jumped to but managed to save himself (so still has a little bit of strength). Afterwards he jumped to the floor and stayed there whilst we got our spare cage ready.

We put him in the spare cage so he doesn't feel the need to run around after mummy and babies as he always gives 100% (he feeds, he cleans, he massages mummy) but he's still sitting at the bottom of the cage looking sorry for himself. we thought it might be exhaustion as he has been on the go every hour or so for feeding time so we have half covered the cage to give a little bit of darkness if he wanted to sleep (which he has headed straight for) and he is keeping his eyes open more after naps but he's almost motionless.

he's got food, water with vitamin drops, cuttle fish, vitamin block and he had fresh lettuce up until he turned ill. He was fine last night and causing havoc so I'm stuck for ideas on what it could be or how to fix it-even after hours of online searching.

I'm also concerned for how long my hen and her chicks can last without him.

I hope someone can help, i will really appreciate any suggestions. thank you in advance.

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Welcome to the forums,

I'm very sorry for your current predicament... From your description, your budgie truly needs emergency medical attention.
Besides that avian vet, isn't there a 24 hours clinic or veterinary hospital with avian/exotics service that you can take your budgie?
If you explain the situation and the emergency status maybe the out of hours avian vet will be able to examine your budgie.

Until then, you can cover the hospital cage on 3 sides and if you have millet spray, you can soak it in electrolyte solution. That will hopefully give your budgie a little boost of energy and promote appetite.
You will find detailed information on this link: https://talkbudgies.com/your-budgies-...te-recipe.html

You can also offer your budgie some egg food, this is highly nutritious and can also be helpful during this time.

It's true that breeding can take a whole lot out of a breeding pair and this is especially the case when one or both parents have more of a weaker constitution and weaker immune system, making them more susceptible to illnesses.
This is why it's extremely important to choose a healthy pair who is in top physical condition to breed.
An adequate diet also plays a very important role during breeding.

During the time your male budgie will be out of commission, you will have to be the one to support the female. You can do so by placing the food and water containers closer to the nest box. Place the veggies by the nest box's entrance as well and have half a spray of millet inside the nest box too.

It's vital to check the nest and see if all chicks are being well fed and taken care of, because if something goes wrong, you will have to step in, take a more active role in helping raise your chicks.
By this time, you should have hand feeding supplies in case the mother isn't able to cope in terms of tending to all of the chicks.
https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...ing-guide.html

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...ding-diet.html
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Thank you so much for responding so quickly.
Unfortunately the avian vet isn't understanding, the last time we called on a weekend with a very sick Budgie they told us we had to wait 24 hours until it was a weekday to register our bird, we did get him to an out of hours vet but he only had a vague knowledge of birds but did his best-unfortunately our bird died before the 24 hours. We were researching to find other avian vets that work out of hours as well but haven't found any, our normal vet for them doesn't work out of hours.

how long would you suggest leaving the millet to soak for in the solution? i don't have any to hand but can make up the solution suggested in your link and will order some online to arrive asap. I put a millet in whilst awaiting a response and he waddled rather quickly to it, i saw this as a good sign, he had a nibble and threw a seed at me though, so I'm unsure if he actually managed to eat any.

My hen (Blue) seems to be feeding the chicks well, I had to make sure the nest was clean and that Duck didn't leave any dodgy looking poops in there incase its bacterial. all seems well and they're all fed and wiggling. Blue however is shouting at Duck through the bars almost as if telling him to "get it together". I've put seeds in the nest box in a small feeder but she doesn't seem to have acknowledged it, so she keeps leaving the nest for food. i will do what you suggested though and put millet and veggies in. is there any veggies in particular you'd recommend in this situation?

thank you so much again, it means a lot that you've taken the time out to help us! x
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You're most welcome!

You can momentarily dip the seed, millet or seed treat stick into the solution till it gets all covered and soaked in so that your budgie can eat it as is.

As for veggies, there is quite an assortment that you can offer besides the romaine lettuce. My budgies love the dark leafy greens, so you can try attaching a couple of spinach leaves near the nest box's entrance and see if the budgie mother goes for it.
Egg food is also a vital component during breeding and raising young, so that should always be available.
The link I posted previously on diet should be very helpful.

I'm sending my prayers for your budgie in hopes he hangs on till the vet appointment and I'm wishing him a steady and full recovery.
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Old 07-31-2016, 01:44 PM
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Duck had started eating his millet again giving me some hope as he practically snatched it away from me with excitement. Unfortunately he passed away about 15 minutes later. I'm heart broken. I still can't wrap my head around it. Both him and Blue were in perfect physical condition and have never even had a feather out of place. He had taught himself to hover above the perches in the cage and had been doing that last night causing seed to fly everywhere and every time i said "night nights time" he would shout "NO!" and carry on.

My priority now is Blue and her 6 chicks. Although I'm not sure whats best to do at this moment as she's still looking out of the cage for him. she seems to be busying herself with feeds. Your millet inside the nest idea worked a charm (our eldest Chick was also very intrigued now his eyes are open and he can explore with his huge feet) and she's been gobbling that up. she comes back out for cuttle fish and to search for Duck though until her chicks call her, they were so close and always kissing and cuddling up.

I keep wondering "what if's" but at the end of the day I didn't set out to breed them-they chose each other, and when i noticed they were attached i checked every detail numerous times to make sure everything went well and I knew that there could be heart break. I just have to say I didn't think it would be Duck because he was so lively. I would be mad at the vets for their 24 hour rule but I can see it wouldn't of made a difference in the short time he was sick. I could be mad at myself for not travelling a few hours away to a different avian vet that may or may not have seen us, but i don't think he could of made the journey, i don't even feel he could of made the hours drive to the nearest 24 hour vets. I'm glad he was at home and not stressed out any further.

Thank you so much for your help, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Even if he didn't make it he was certainly excited and happy with the soaked millet and the attention he was getting. You've been fantastic xxx
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I'm so sorry for your loss, you have my deepest sympathies.

You do well in focusing on Blue and the chicks. Now more than ever it's important to give the mother some extra support in terms of having all the food readily available to her and to keep on monitoring all the chicks.
If you don't have the hand feeding tools and supplies, it's best that you get everything tomorrow, since this is a rather large clutch and there will even be more strain since the mother will be raising the chicks without her mate.
There is the possibility she will get too tired or overwhelmed and then it would be up to you to finish raising some if not all of the chicks.

I'm wishing you, Blue and her growing family all the best. If you need further guidance we will be here.
For all the detailed information, be sure to check stickies at the top of the page on this section here: https://talkbudgies.com/306-budgie-breeding/


EDIT: Given the latest developments, I'm moving your thread to the Follow-up Center section.
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Im so so sorry for your loss. Fly free Duck Rest In Peace
I wish you and Blue and her babies every good wish..
You can do this...you can help Blue raise her babies and if you have never used a syringe to feed babies before then I suggest you use a spoon...if you google a feeding spoon for baby birds you will see the shape...have your spoon and your formula and utendils ready to use at a moments notice...dont use a microwave to heat any formula and if you have to feed formula by syringe or spoon (though I dont reccommend syringe unless you really know what you are doing as the babies can aspirate and die in unexperienced hands) make sure your formula is at the correct temp...you and Blue together can do this. You really can ...Best of Luck
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I'm so very sorry about your loss of little Duck.
I know how difficult and heartbreaking this must be for you.

I hope you will be able to help Blue raise the six chicks. If it becomes to much for her, you will need to pull the oldest chicks for hand feeding.

This guide should be helpful:

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My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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Thank you for all the advice everyone, you've all been great. i have been checking on Blue and the chicks-all chicks are fed and theres a lot of movement happening now the older birds are getting their legs working. Mummy seems pretty relaxed but obviously busy. luckily the chicks are encouraging her to cuddle as I was concerned she wouldn't get enough rest, she seems to have feeding covered at the moment but obviously thats a lot to deal with for one bird. The babies all seem to be in a routine of feeding which i am surprised at so she can pretty much plan for when they'll be hungry and seems to know when to make an appearance for food. i have been shouted at a few times by her when she knocked the cuttle fish onto the floor and when she wanted more egg food, she isn't afraid to tell me when she needs something! I haven't hand fed before so i am in search of an avian vet that can help guide me on what to do and how to do it.

will she always focus on feeding the baby chicks rather than the older ones or will it just be whichever one she gets to?

Its a quiet night tonight as it was always duck that said "night night" to us, but I'm glad he went peacefully and is at rest now.

Thank you all for your kind wishes. sending my love to you all and your bird family xxx
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When the parents aren't able to cope in terms of tending to all of the chicks, it's best to pull out the oldest ones for hand feeding, because the youngest are the ones to benefit the most out of their mother, this especially the case for the littlest ones who are still being fed crop milk.

Sometimes, the mother can reject one or more chicks (even the whole clutch), and this can happen regardless of their age.
If the mother happens to run out of crop milk to feed the youngest, she can decide to neglect the youngest and it will be up to us to keep the chick(s) alive and well.
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