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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.

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Old 09-10-2016, 05:50 AM
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Question Homosexuality in Budgies?

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this... I have four budgies, 2 males, 2 females, that I bought with the intention of breeding them. Well, the girls seem to be in love with each other and don't care for the boys at all, lol! Which I found very odd because I've never seen females that are so friendly with each other. The boys are definitely best friends, but they occasionally try to come onto the females (who always get mad at them, lol). But the girls want nothing to do with the boys at all. Dawn (the oldest female, and oldest of the four), won't even let the boys eat while she's eating (though as long as she isn't eating she doesn't care, so the boys are still able to eat sufficiently ), but she'll let Rain (the other female) eat while she's eating. Very strange. I was wondering what you guys think would happen if I even tried to pair them up and breed them? To be honest I don't even know if I want to try, because I don't think either of the girls would be happy being stuck in a cage with one of the boys, but idk. Just wondering if I have any chance of trying to breed them, haha!

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I've personally never had a female who prefers another females company over that of a males, but I've had some be indifferent to the males advances.
I would be inclined to leave them as they are, or even split them to have males in one cage and females in the other, as they seem to get on so well this way.
I agree with you that trying to breed with these girls might not be ideal.
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Two females are just as able to form a close bond of friendship as males are.
This doesn't mean that they will always prefer their own gender as opposed to the males.
This has more to do with the individual bird's personality and the compatibility (or lack of thereof) they have with a specific mate of the opposite gender.
From your description, it seems both of your females aren't very fond of the two males sharing the cage with them. That's why they aren't interested in them in the "romantic" department.
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:27 PM
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Thank you for your responses! I think what I'm going to do is buy a larger cage once I get a place with my girlfriend and can afford one, buy another male-female pair, and house all 6 together and see if either of the girls take to the new male or if the new girl takes to any of the boys.
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I think you have good answers above as to why the girls picked each other over the boys. Compatibility. In an actual breeding situation I don't think they'd have an aversion to all males. Also, say if you only had birds of the same gender, it would be natural for them to choose same sex mates.

For example, I have 2 male parrots who are strongly bonded to each other, and are different species and different size even. They preen, one feeds the other, one tries to mate with the other at certain times of year. But IMO, to say they're homosexual would really be athropomorphizing the situation. Sometimes there is a mutual adoration in animals that appears to us humans to go beyond a casual level of friendship, but I think if they were set up in a breeding situation (hypothetically), they'd have no problem picking the proper gender of their own species .

Edit: you will have to have an extremely large cage for 6 remember. Also you will have to watch closely for birds not getting along in a close proximity. Especially when they're picking mates and possibly getting territorial. It might be best to house each pair separately, or else keep an close watch and keep some spare cages just in case. Also, if you haven't read these links already, they might come in handy when you have multiple birds . https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...s-new-old.html and
https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...want-eggs.html

Further edit: I just saw on your profile, it says you're already a breeder. If you're already aware about the info in the links above, then kindly disregard. It's always good for everyone to read anyway .
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I think getting another pair when you have two males and two females that don't get on incredibly well and plan to pop them all in a big cage together isn't going to be the best idea.
You have two pairs of budgies that aren't compatible. You could make that worse by getting another couple that are less friendly.

I think the idea of getting three cages- one for your current boys, one for your current girls and then get a pair and pair them up you will likely get a better bonded pair and less hassle.
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Makes sense! At this point, I'm just very curious to see whether or not they could actually be gay or not haha. I have read a study where researchers actually observed same-sex paired budgies steal nests/eggs from hetero pairs to raise as their own, so I'm very curious to see if I may actually have lesbian budgies! Would be very interesting to get more birds and see what happens. I do already have two large cages (one that can fit all four, and another that could fit three max), as well as one small cage (could only fit one).

Maybe I'll just wait until I have the money to build an indoor aviary so as to reduce the chance of fighting due to not enough space. I would like to build an aviary large enough to house 20-50 birds, and then buy breeding cages to actually breed pairs in. It's gonna be so long though... considering I have to wait until I can get a new job (lost my wallet which had my driver's license and social security card in it -.-), save up for my own car, and save up for a place for my girlfriend and I (dad doesn't want any more birds in his house)... oh well. I'll definitely keep you guys updated as to what happens whenever I do get more birds though and see how the girls react!
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Bella,

It's definitely possible! You're right that in the wild, sometimes animals pair up in "same sex" couples, and it's certainly interesting to document it

By the way, I'm not sure why the forum edited out that word--I tried to edit it back in but the forum wouldn't let me. I'll take this to the admin so she can fix that
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Thank you! I'll let you guys know what happens in the future!
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Bella,

It's definitely possible! You're right that in the wild, sometimes animals pair up in "same sex" couples, and it's certainly interesting to document it

By the way, I'm not sure why the forum edited out that word--I tried to edit it back in but the forum wouldn't let me. I'll take this to the admin so she can fix that
That would be really interesting to see behavior in the wild with birds and other animals, and their tendencies toward gender preference.

I also wanted to note that in my last post above, at the end of the last paragraph, when I said picking the "proper gender" and now reading it again, I realize that those words can be misconstrued and possibly insulting to some members, so I wanted to clarify. I meant it in the context for a breeding pair of birds as in 'the proper gender of the same species to make eggs/ have babies' .
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