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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.

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Old 12-13-2016, 07:18 PM
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Hello

I have been a proud owner to a male parakeet for two years now and he is the most lovely tame boy. He comes when called, loves to sit on fingers, he talks a bit. We love him.

We recently added another male, housed separately currently until we establish a close bond with the new one.

I am thinking of adding possibly two females (also separate housing) and closely researching how to become a very small time breeder as I think more people need to enjoy these lovely creatures.

I would like to get the babies and not hand feed them but, when ready, play with them daily to get them used to people.

When I spoke to a breeder today who only hand feeds them, she said she didn't find it possible to have them truly tame for customers. Is this accurate? She said she hand feeds them and they can step up, but once she sells them they regress and they are scared again sometimes not warming up for days or sometimes months. I understand some regression in a new home, but she makes it sound like budgies only get used to her and are not tamable at all. So I'd like to know, if I breed my budgies and hand tame them is this fruitless?

So my question is:

* If I decide to breed and hand tame - if they just regress like she says (if this is accurate) how can we justify the higher price tag of these hand raised parakeets if they need just as much time to come around as non-hand raised ones? Or is this breeder inaccurate? Can they be hand raised and much more friendly with MUCH less time being skittish in their new home if hand raised?

Thoughts from other breeders so welcome.

Thanks for your time

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Old 12-13-2016, 09:16 PM
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Most breeders that sell tame babies let the parents raise them but handle them well. They will obviously be a bit nervous when their entire world changes when they are sold, but if the new owners deal with it well they will quickly become tame again.
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Hi there and to Talk Budgies!

I'm glad your budgies are doing well; we'd love to meet them when you get a chance!

Toni is correct. The best way to raise budgies is indeed to let the parents feed them but interact with them daily; this is called co-parenting and is the most sure way to ensure the chicks are properly socialized to "be budgies" as well as appreciate human contact.

Of course, some budgies just aren't "people birds" and won't ever be fully comfortable with human contact even when socialized and hand tamed from an early age.

However, in most cases, they will be tame and comfortable around people by weaning age. All birds regress a little bit and are fearful in new environments no matter their age or how tame they are; this is due to their unknown environment and surroundings, including their new owners.

Sometimes the transition is easier if the new owner visits the budgie at the breeder multiple times before s/he goes home with them so that not everything is unknown to them when they arrive at their new home.

Either way, as long as the new owner works with them consistently and patiently, still allowing them ample time to be comfortable and at ease as well as understanding that being hand-tamed doesn't mean they will "instantly" bond with people, the chicks will very likely grow up to be friendly, sociable adults.

Although you've had some experience with budgies over the years you've had your boys, breeding is not as easy as it may seem. Breeding requires a vast amount of other research in order to help the budgie pair go through with their clutch successfully, in good health, and with the least stress or risk of injury or illness to themselves or their chicks.

Because of this, it's important that if you intend to breed, you do so at a much later date and after you have done the necessary research, in addition to consulting with breeders nearby or your avian vet to ensure you have taken all necessary precautions. Please check out this link for more details!

https://talkbudgies.com/budgie-breedi...s-new-old.html

Also, if you do want to add more budgies to your flock now or in the future, please be sure to follow proper quarantine procedures to prevent the spread of hidden illnesses from the new bird(s) to your current ones.

https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

Be sure to also take a look around the forum's other articles and "stickies" (threads "stuck" to the top of each subforum for easy reference) to ensure that you're up to date on the very best of budgie care!

If you have any questions afterwards, please be sure to ask as we'd love to help!

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Hi and
I second what StarlingWings said about getting into breeding, and how it entails much more than meets the eye. There are so many aspects of budgie health and behavior to learn about. Even beyond the knowledge of an experienced pet owner. Not to mention the money it takes to 'properly' do this, it can leave a breeder losing money or making little to no profit at all.

My Mink and Chip and my parrots were raised in the way most responsible breeders today raise birds, by having them stay with the parents for a certain amount of time and development, which is considered best for both physical and mental health of the bird. They are then are pulled for hand feeding and imprinting with humans after a certain age until they wean and fledge and are ready to go to new homes.

Some parent raised budgies tame up as much or more than some hand fed ones. They all have such different individual personalities, and some are naturally more inclined to become tame pets than others.

Mink (female) and Chip (male) were both handfed and tame when I bought them, with a small adjustment period after bringing them home. Mink maintains a confidence in me to this day, and will step up for me and allow a little petting. As Chip has matured, I can no longer touch him and he won't step up anymore. That's okay with me, and I haven't worked with him. Once he turned, he seemed pretty adamant about being a hands off kind of budgie. I don't put any taming effort into Mink either, but she still remains as tame as ever regardless. Different personalities. She is much more easy going than Chip, and a very nice bird. They prove it isn't true that males make better pets than females. I used my birds as an example of how you can't always guarantee how a budgie will be as a pet, and this is regardless if they've been parent raised the whole time or hand fed.
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What a great question! As a small breeder myself, it's very disheartening when clients loos interest in my birds when the first question they ask is "Are they hand fed?", and i have to say "no".

Just because they are not hand fed, does not mean that they are not tame. It takes a LOT of work, and a LOT of hours of interaction and play time and training from a very young age, but my birds have always been tame once sold.

It is NOT an easy job, that'f for sure! And every bird definitely has his/her own personality. Some are easier than others, some require more time and attention. I have past clients that keep in touch with me with updates on their birds, and all of them are happy and playful and some of them are now talking.

Hand feeding is very hard, and there are many things that can go wrong and potentially hurt of kill your precious new baby. It is also very time consuming, with the average person working a full time or even a part time job, you just can't be there for all the needed feedings!

I personally find it much easier to let the parents do the feeding work, while I do the taming work every day.
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My budgie was raised by his parents and he's just as hand tame as he could be. A lovely pet all the way around.
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All but one of my budgies come from pet shops and I think these would all have been bred just to sell straight on and as others have mentioned, the level of work I would have to do to get a fairly tame budgie differs with each bird. Some of them were friendly and curious and would step up, especially when they were younger and others were a lot more nervous.

It's all about their individual personalities. I think that the biggest issue you have when breeding budgies, besides the actual challenges in breeding itself that Star mentioned, is people's expectations. I think with social media and the way things go viral now, a kid (or adult) would just have to see a cute budgie video and their ideas and expectation for the birds are completely unrealistic by what they have seen when bringing home a new bird.
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All but one of my budgies come from pet shops and I think these would all have been bred just to sell straight on and as others have mentioned, the level of work I would have to do to get a fairly tame budgie differs with each bird. Some of them were friendly and curious and would step up, especially when they were younger and others were a lot more nervous.

It's all about their individual personalities. I think that the biggest issue you have when breeding budgies, besides the actual challenges in breeding itself that Star mentioned, is people's expectations. I think with social media and the way things go viral now, a kid (or adult) would just have to see a cute budgie video and their ideas and expectation for the birds are completely unrealistic by what they have seen when bringing home a new bird.
Therm really nailed it re. the expectations element and how social media can really skew reality in the minds of the buyers.

No one sees budgies biting in social media and they all do... even the sweetest & most human-socialized ones will bite if they're pushed (or tired, etc.)

The content is all very curated to show only the best & the cutest ... and therefore pieces of the actual realities are missing from the curated social content.

If I were to breed budgies for sale, I would most definitely offer a primer on biting. The nuances and the realities of it.
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My personal feeling is that budgies which are parent-raised are going to be much healthier and well-adjusted than those pulled for hand-feeding. Especially when so many breeders pull them too young and don't give the chicks the opportunity to learn from their Dad "how to be budgies".

aluz has summed it up exceptionally well in this article:

Planned Co-Parenting in Raising Tame Chicks
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My personal feeling is that budgies which are parent-raised are going to be much healthier and well-adjusted than those pulled for hand-feeding. Especially when so many breeders pull them too young and don't give the chicks the opportunity to learn from their Dad "how to be budgies".

aluz has summed it up exceptionally well in this article:

Planned Co-Parenting in Raising Tame Chicks
This is another great reason why I do not pull chicks from the nest to hand feed. They are much healthier being fed by the parents.

If you do end up breeding, watch out for pushy clients who want the chick as soon as they are weaned and out of the nest around 5 weeks old. I've had people beg me to let them take chicks home this young so that they can start training and bonding with them.

I understand their excitement at having a new pet, and appreciate their enthusiasm, but make sure you stand your ground.

I always make sure my chicks have enough time with dad, and enough time in their own grown up weaning cage, to learn "How to be a budgie" just like Faery said.
I've read the quote "How to be a budgie" a long time ago in another thread, and it has really stuck with me all these years later.
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