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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.

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Old 06-27-2017, 07:40 PM
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Hello Budgie People,
Thanks for the resource! Please forgive any protocol breaches, I became a member to post quickly, I'm a little concerned,....

I have been a bird owner for 25 years, I had an Indian Ringneck who passed away last year after a fab 24 years together and now I have 2 beautiful, bonded, mated budgies.

I didn't intend to breed them, I didn't even know the male was a male since he was quite young when we got him.

Long story and details aside, we are now budgie breeders, they laid 5 eggs, 3 hatched, 2 died right away, the second hatchling has been alive and is 10 days old today, born June 17.

Everything was lovey and great, both parents were feeding the baby, but suddenly, the female is not allowing the male into the nest box and is even attacking him outside the box, chasing him around the cage. They have scrapped over food in the past, just little squabbles, but this has me worried!

No injuries to be seen, it hasn't come to that, will it??? When do i remove the male, or do I remove the female? I guess I have to run out and grab a new cage? So far, the chick has not been attacked, though it has also made some alarming noises that made me wonder,.... no signs of injury.

They have a nice box, the cage is in a great location with sunlight, fresh water, food, wrapped at night, quiet home, albeit the cage is a little small,.... I'm hoping to get a bigger one asap.

Presently, they are wrapped up as though it were night in the hopes of calming the female down. Does this maybe have something to do with a second clutch approaching?

Hoping for some expert advice! Thanks in advance.

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Please remove the female from the cage.
Put her in a cage of her own in a different room of the house.

The male should take over feeding and caring for the baby.
Are you ready to step in with supplemental feedings for the baby if the Dad can't keep up with it?

Make sure you are giving the Dad healthy vegetables, egg food, pellets and a high quality seed mix.

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Congratulations on your budgies

You've been given great advice above by FaeryBee! I hope that your little ones do well, we hope to meet them soon.

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Thanks SO much for replying, both of you.

I have been reading much from this forum, it's great. I will read more!

I ran out and bought another cage, so I can go ahead and separate. They're not scrapping right now, but I will separate.

Yes, I am prepared to hand feed the baby, omg, not something I had planned on, thankfully, I am a stay at home mom and can manage the timing and attention, so I better get more ready.

The male is quite sweet, I feel a little sorry for him, I'm sure he's sad,... don't ask me how I can tell,.... it's just a feeling. They're such sensitive, emotional creatures.

Wow. I am so touched by the gift of this precious little baby, it has been a series of surprises and joys.

Kind regards, I will post updates and pics.
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Take a look at this thread which will help you if you do need to step in with supplemental feedings:

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-budg...ing-guide.html

Hopefully, the Dad will manage just fine on his own but it's best to be prepared.

I'm sure the Dad (what is his name?) is sad.
His mate suddenly turned on him when he was just trying to be a good mate and father -- that has to hurt.
He'll pull through it with your help though. You obviously are very in-tune with him.

Please be sure to keep up updated on how things are going.
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Hello again,

So I've obviously been paying close attention, thanks for the hand feeding link, I did a quick look and will dig much deeper, I am sure.

In my quick look, I didn't see "when" to start,..... I'd rather not if it isn't critical,.... I"m really afraid of aspirating them like I did a bunch of mice as a kid, I know,... I'm a real softie and it was awful.

The chick called out and the male did not respond. He did seem nervous/anxious to go in the box, he has been in a short while once since I separated them.

I have not observed him attending the chick at all like he did a few days ago. She has really not allowed it for a few days now, I thought it was normal since they seemed to be doing so well until she began attacking him.

If it's not too late already, pls let me know how long I should wait before feeding the chick myself.

Oh, the names are: Rio is Dad and he's blue (go figure) and Phoenix is green, the female. We are thrilled to see how "Pluto" will grow into a set of feathers and to discover male or female. My 7 year old son has named them all, loves them all and has been so delighted in the event, along with our 15 year old son who first heard the cheeping - I thought he was pulling my leg, I actually never believed any would hatch! This whole thing has been a series of delightful surprises until recently,....

We handled the chick for the first time today, just for a few minutes while I cleaned out the nest box. So special. We all felt like we'd been touched by a small miracle. so silly, I know, but indeed, so special.

Well, I was just checking in here, I'm going to run to the drug store now and grab a syringe,... they obviously don't carry budgie formula,.... I will will check in again soon.
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Your male is young and inexperienced, and the hen's behavior has probably caused what your seeing. He could be feeding the chick while your not present to see. The only way you can verify is to check the chick's crop regularly to see if it's full or empty. You will have to take over right away if he is not feeding. I am not a breeder and have no expertise in any of this so hopefully some of our experienced breeder's, hand feeder's can offer more advice, I will flag a couple of them for you.
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It seems to me that you have not removed the hen from the breeding cage and put the hen in a separate room to reduce calling from pulling the cock from his job. It is a little early but cock should take over. If not then you are up to bat! Ask your vet to show you how to feed the chick. Step beyond the fear that is stopping your progress. Training by your vet or a breeder will help you. Use the gram scale to show a daily gain by the chick. Get that extra cage for the hen. try to let the cock feed but add a feeding from you in AM and then before lights out. more if needed. 10 days is a little young to be off regular feeding.
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Hello and thank you all!

It's been almost 24 hrs since I first posted and 18 since Phoenix (f) was removed from the cage. She is in a new cage alone in a separate room, seems pretty anxious, understandably.

Pluto is still alive!!!!! I am so thrilled,....
been to the vet, picked up baby formula, only one kind in town, got a syringe, fashioned a syringe/spoon as per videos,... so awesome, thanks! I did manage to get a few bites in. Pluto seemed weak,....

I returned to check just after lunch, hoping Rio has resumed duty, indeed he has (YESSSS!), however, the "thing" sorry I don't know my lingo yet appears to be totally over filled, Pluto can't stand up! I"m wondering if this is now a new problem? I have not searched parents overfeeding,.... I"ll do that next. I just wanted to post a quick update. I have photos, will post as soon as I figure out how.

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With you and Dad both feeding, the Crop may be a little overfull. Back out and let him take care of his chick. Keep an eye on the crop it should go down, and with dad feeding regularly you will come to recognize a full and empty crop. Keep us posted on the situation and we would love to see pic's, especially if you could share one of this full crop you are concerned with.
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