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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.

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Hello! We got back from vacation last week and discovered Jasmine had laid eggs! This was a surprise because we've had her 3 years, and she's been mating almost constantly for 2 and never laid one. Unfortunately, her nest is not ideal. It is one of those wooden tubes, but it is hung vertically. As I mentioned, we were out of town, or I would have gotten a regular nesting box immediately, and they've gone through tons of these tubes as chew toys. The problem is I can barely see into it, and cannot reach into it. There is one more egg inside (my husband rolled 3 out earlier - I can handle 2 babies, not 5!) My question is should I try to rotate it horizontally so there is more room? Also, should I get a nesting box to move the babies into when they are a little bigger, and how would I transfer them, logistically speaking, since I can't reach into the opening? How about nesting materials? Should I add pine shavings since I won't be able to clean or change them? Anything else I should provide?

Cedar, the father, attacks Jasmine if she leaves the nest for more than 2 minutes. He perches right outside of it all day. He's always been controlling, but he's way over the top now. He has his head in the nest and is sqwaking as I type! Ok, now they are both in there and fighting - this is new. Will he harm the chick?

Any advice is appreciated!

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How old are Jasmine and Cedar?
What diet have you had them on?
What steps have you taken in the past to prevent Jasmine and Cedar breeding?

Has a chick already hatched? That is not clear from your initial post.
Is the "other" egg viable -- have you candled it to see if it is fertile?

How much research with regard to breeding have you done so far?
Have you read all of the stickies in the Budge Breeding Section of the forum?

IF you do not already have a hatched chick and a fertile egg, then I'd recommend you remove and dispose of them immediately, separate Jasmine and Cedar into individual cages and begin doing everything necessary to discourage breeding.

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You indicate Cedar is "attacking" Jasmine.
Is he trying to bite her, pin her down or what?
If Jasmine and Cedar are actually fighting at this time, chances are that even if the eggs are fertile and/or hatched, the chicks will not survive with the aggression being demonstrated already.

If there are chicks, they will need to be moved into a nest box when they are a few days old in order to make it possible to keep them clean, prevent splayed legs, etc.

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How old are Jasmine and Cedar?
What diet have you had them on?
What steps have you taken in the past to prevent Jasmine and Cedar breeding?

Has a chick already hatched? That is not clear from your initial post.
Is the "other" egg viable -- have you candled it to see if it is fertile?

How much research with regard to breeding have you done so far?
Have you read all of the stickies in the Budge Breeding Section of the forum?

IF you do not already have a hatched chick and a fertile egg, then I'd recommend you remove and dispose of them immediately, separate Jasmine and Cedar into individual cages and begin doing everything necessary to discourage breeding.

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You indicate Cedar is "attacking" Jasmine.
Is he trying to bite her, pin her down or what?
If Jasmine and Cedar are actually fighting at this time, chances are that even if the eggs are fertile and/or hatched, the chicks will not survive with the aggression being demonstrated already.

If there are chicks, they will need to be moved into a nest box when they are a few days old in order to make it possible to keep them clean, prevent splayed legs, etc.

Thank you for the response. Jasmine is about 3 years 8 months, Cedar is over 2 and a half. They've been bonded and mating for two years. About 2 years ago, we'd hoped to have 1 or 2 babies, so at that time I'd done a lot of research, but aside from reading up frantically today, I haven't looked at anything since that time (I've read all of the stickies and all links that work). We'd provided them with a nesting box, but got rid of it after a year of nothing happening and the box getting grubby.

A little history - we had 3 birds, but one died of what the vet suspected to be cancer last June, so it is just the two of them.

They eat Zupreem and Roudybush. They also have a couple of cuttle bones and a mineral block. I've tried tons of fruits, veggies, eggs repetitively, but they never eat them. Right now they also have junk food seed in there, because the bird sitter gave it to them (yes, I explained it was to be a rare treat only, but she wanted to spoil them) and Cedar swoops at my head if it runs out, so I've been indulging them by having some in there. They are still eating their pellets. I also sprinked a little calcium powder on the seeds.

Yes, one chick has hatched. It hatched last night, anout 20 hours ago now. I was surprised the egg was viable, since the three we removed last week I checked with a flashlight and saw no sign of life inside. Haven't checked the unhacthed egg since I can't reach it. Also have no way of knowing when it was laid, but we've been back 17 days, so it's older than that.

They are in a huge cage, but we don't close the door. When Jasmine leaves the nest, she likes to fly over to some branches we have mounted on the walls for them to perch on and she defacates over there. This is when Cedar gets angry. After she's been there about two minutes, Cedar bites her until she goes back in the nest. He has been bringing her food continuously. He's always been controlling over her, but not physically, and she usually ignores him. For example, if she went in another room, he'd scream at her to come back, but she didn't seem to care.

Any suggestions on a specific type or brand of breeding box? I'll buy one ASAP.
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There are many varieties of nest boxes for budgies, but in my opinion the most important thing to verify is that it has a concave bottom. Otherwise, choose a style that fits your setup and your birds.
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It sounds as though Cedar simply wants Jasmine to stay in the log to incubate the chick and egg -- he's trying to be a protective husband/father.

At this time, it would be best if you shut the door of the cage. Jasmine and Cedar should be staying in the cage for now.

Give the second egg at least another week to see if it hatches. Hopefully there is enough room in the Yucca log for Jasmine to incubate the egg and care for the chick at this time.

It's fine to buy a regular wooden nestbox with a concave bottom. If you prefer, you can get a Hagen Vision plastic nest box.
Whichever you choose, hang it on the outside of the cage so you can easily clean it.
Wait until the chick(s) are at least 7days old before moving them.

Hopefully, Jasmine and Cedar won't abandon the chicks when they are moved into the nest box.
Chicks can develop splayed legs when they are in a less than desirable nesting area that does not give them proper traction and as they grow, their little legs spread apart and if not corrected in time they end up disabled. This is why it's so important to have a nest box with a good concave bottom.

Make sure you get hand feeding formula and syringes in case the move to the proper nest box doesn't go well and momma budgie abandons the chicks. Even if all goes well, you must need to be prepared to give an extra help to the chicks.

I'd recommend you give Jasmine and Cedar a calcium supplement such as Calci-Boost and try giving them egg food so they have sufficient protein while caring for the babies.
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Thanks, guys. I'll get a nesting box with a concave bottom.

Jasmine is in her nest 99.5% of the time. The branch she goes to is nearby, and neither of them is even leaving the room, so I think things are going well as far as both of them being attentive parents.

I'll also give the egg food a go and continue the calcium powder supplement.

My husband and I were pretty sure we heard two little voices sqwaking tonight in the nest. I figured it's best to wait until tomorrow to look rather than shining a bright light in their faces at night to check.
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Hopefully the move in a few days time will go smoothly for all concerned.
Please be sure to update us on how things progress.

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I was able to confirm that the second egg did hatch! They are not moving around very much yet, but are both very vocal. It's really hard to get a look at them, but I could see food in both of their crops.

Also, I purchased a new nesting box with a concave floor for when they are strong enough to relocate. I added egg food that I bought from the pet store into their junk food (seeds). Cedar spent a couple of hours picking every bit of it out and throwing it to the bottom of the cage, but at least it kept him busy for awhile. I also gave them some homemade egg food which was only glared at. Cedar has been scraping the cuttle bones a lot and bringing it to Jasmine. I've never seen him touch them before, so this is good.

I'm a little worried about Jasmine. She looks really thin and unkempt. Of course she's under a lot of stress, and being in the nest all day must be uncomfortable. I tried giving her millet spray, which she is usually wild about. She sat on the edge of the nest and took one bite and that was it. She continued sitting there for another minute, then went back inside. Poor girl! I haven't read anything on if they usually bathe during this stage - seems like being wet could harm the chicks by making them cold.
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No, the adult budgie will not bathe at this stage.
I'm sure Jasmine looks unkept because she's trying to squash herself inside the toy to care for her chicks.

I suggest you try giving Cedar and Jasmine "Miracle Meal". My budgies like to eat it dry.
It would provide needed nutrients for them since they aren't eating vegetables and pellets.
https://www.ladygouldianfinch.com/pr...iraclemeal.php

Hopefully the chicks will make it safely through the next few days so you can get them moved into a proper nest box.
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Update:

Things seem to be going well! The babies are growing quickly and seem healthy. The older one is holding up its head and opening its eyes.

I moved them into their new nest last night. I had originally planned on waiting another few days, but it was starting to smell foul. The first hour after the move was a bit tense, but both parents have accepted the new nest.
Jasmine spends slightly longer outside now and gets some food on her own (Cedar is still mostly feeding her) and she's looking less stressed.

I tried the Miracle Meal. It's possible some is being consumed - I mixed it with their seed - but Cedar has been picking around a lot. Also got them a second type of mineral block. They are still eating their Zupreem Fruit pellets, but ignoring the Roudybush which they used to prefer.

Anyway, that's the update. Advice is always appreciated!
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