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Determining Gender Having trouble figuring out if your budgie is a male or female? Ask here!

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We are totally smitten our little guy, DJ, but he seems lonely so we decided to (hopefully) get him a little brother. The breeder currently has two lutino(?) chicks, and thinks one is a male and the other is a female ... but I'm hoping to get some other opinions. If he's a boy, should he be the same bright pink/purple DJ was as a baby?

I'm also curious at what age we should be taking him(?) home. He's just about 4 weeks, and that seems really young, but they say both are eating.

Ok, I hope I'm doing this right ....

Most recent breeder pics of the "boy." I have pics of both babies when they were a bit younger, but no recent pics of the "girl." I can share the younger pics of both if that would help. We really don't want a potential breeding pair, especially considering they have the same parents.





3 mo old DJ (looking very serious )


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The beautiful creamino baby in the photo appears to have a female color cere.
A photo in natural lighting is best for accurate color in photos. It looks like you’re by a window?
Since DJ is a male, it might be good to get a male baby. Pink or light purplish cere indicates a young male. Gender plays no role in how well they get along. There is no guarantee with either sex. With two males, you won’t have to worry about taking steps to avoid accidental breeding.

Make sure to check out the Stickies posts and our Articles section. There is a lot of useful information, as well as answers to many questions.

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Hi there and to the forums!

I agree with Julie, the little baby in the photo looks like a little girl.

She is beautiful! But if you want another boy, I would go with another bird to ensure that there's no risk of breeding in the long run.

DJ is adorable! I look forward to seeing more of him, and I hope to stay posted on your new potential budgie!

Also, you should wait until your new budgie is at least eight weeks old before bringing him home. It's important that he has plenty of time to get comfortable eating by himself (even if the breeder says he's already eating on his own, young budgies may regress in a new environment due to stress). Additionally, he needs time with his parents and siblings to learn how to be a budgie. Sometimes, budgies that are taken from their parents too early are behaviorally underdeveloped and lack some normal budgie behaviors.

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Thank you both, so much! I thought she looked girl too, but I know people here have far more experience than I do (thank you for sharing it with all of us).

I'm not sure what to say to the breeder. The one they say is a girl, looks more like a boy to me (but even then, I'm not sure), and this is the one they expect us to take. I believe she was near a window when these were taken.

She's a creamino? I'm going to have to look in to that, as the other one looks like this but a bit lighter - maybe that's what he is too? We really do want a male, and as much as we love the idea of a full sibling to our current bird, I'm not sure it's worth the risk of possibly bringing home a hen.

Here's the other baby. It seems a bit more pink, but is so young - can you tell male or female that early, and does this coloring/mutation make it trickier?




This is the baby from my previous post at about the same age (and when I started doubting "he" was a male). I keep looking at bird sexing articles to make sense of it all, but again, without much experience, a few extra opinions are greatly appreciated.




Oh they're all so cute at this age, but I don't want to be swayed by "cute," I want to make sure we have a pair of boys, and no risk of future babies or egg laying issues.

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DJ is adorable! I look forward to seeing more of him, and I hope to stay posted on your new potential budgie!

Also, you should wait until your new budgie is at least eight weeks old before bringing him home. It's important that he has plenty of time to get comfortable eating by himself (even if the breeder says he's already eating on his own, young budgies may regress in a new environment due to stress). Additionally, he needs time with his parents and siblings to learn how to be a budgie. Sometimes, budgies that are taken from their parents too early are behaviorally underdeveloped and lack some normal budgie behaviors.
Thank you - we're totally in love with him, and I really did mean to post more when I originally joined, but I've been having so much fun playing with him, that I 'm just not online as much as I was before he came home with us (this forum was my go-to spot for Budgie info when we were deciding whether to get one). He's very sweet, and very smart, and talks, and talks, and talks .... and talks some more. We recently taught him to say "Doggie says woof woof, DJ says everything," because he kind of does.

Good to know about waiting until 8 weeks - thank you! I thought this seemed really young, and they said they're separating them from the parents already - lots of out of cage time and handling, but in to their own individual cages. I'm not sure if they did that with DJ and his siblings. Hmm.

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This other one looks like a boy. Is this the one the breeder is expecting you to take? That would be perfect with two boys. The bottom photos (same bird as in your first post) is a girl. Yes, you can tell at this age. The “ino” mutation males will keep the juvenile pinkish color throughout their lives, so they won’t get blue like DJ’s.

Newly weaned baby birds usually regress when they first go to a new environment too soon, so it’s definitely best for the breeder to hold them back for a couple weeks or so beyond when they’re first weaned. Not all budgies wean at the exact same age, but we do recommend 8 weeks as a “safe” age.
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Yep, Julie is absolutely right!

The second budgie looks more like a boy to me, too.
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Thank you both!

Julie, the breeder is expecting us to take the girl I originally posted, though they are saying she's a boy. The actual boy isn't spoken for yet, that i know of, so I just requested recent pics of him, and a later pick up date. I just don't think we're experienced enough to take a 4-5 week old chick and help it through a rough adjustment, even though they seem to think we are (DJ was 3 months old and super easy to transition). Hopefully they're okay with that, or I guess we'll keep looking.

In the meantime, we have our absolutely lovely little guy here to hang out with. He's currently chattering away ("[dog's name] is a good tiny parrot bird" )
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So I asked for pics of the other bird, and now they aren't responding to me anymore, so I guess we will look elsewhere. Which I did .... and found him on listed on craigslist. The lighting isn't as good, but is this a boy, or could they both be girls? In the ad they say he was 30 days old on June 27th and that "This is the best time to purchase these birds while they are so young, and they are handle by us everyday to get use to human touch."





I hope wherever they land, the new owners know what they're doing. *sigh*
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Oh now these new pics show a bit of female color in the cere. But of course lighting is crucial, and the pics are blurry. But at any rate, it was a good decision to start looking elsewhere!

Unfortunately, a lot of folks who call themselves “breeders” will not know some of the basics like telling gender, and what age to go home. Keep in mind too, many breeders just find it easier and less expense and responsibility for them to push the babies out the door asap. That’s a bad sign when they care that little about the babies, and most likely won’t be around for help when complications arise with the new owners.

Ask potential breeders questions such as - if they Abundance Wean, meaning they let the birds choose if they are ready to start trying solid food or not, rather than force weaning. How long past weaning are they willing to keep the chicks? A “good” breeder will insist, or at least understand why you are asking. Another sign of a breeder who might be more conscientious, is one who weans onto a variety of foods, or takes the time to prepare fresh foods (not just weaning to dry seed).

Take your time.. it will be worth it in the long run. Then always remember the rules of quarantine to protect your precious DJ!
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Yes, that bird is a boy. But four weeks old is still too young to take birds home.

If you want to bring this little guy home, I would ask the owners if you can meet him in person first and ask about their breeding practices. If they aren't responsible breeders, despite this sweetheart being very adorable, he could have some diseases or genetic problems which you should be aware of in the case you decide to bring him home.
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