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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods

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Old 03-28-2015, 02:08 PM
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Hi there!

I've decided to get a budgie in either June or July of this year. The reason being, my exams will be over and done with and a budgie can receive my undivided attention.
In the meantime, I'm spending an hour or so a day researching the breed and their needs so I can become a great budgie mother when the time comes. I'm currently budgeting - for cages, toys, foods etc. I'm thinking of offering seeds and pellets (along with veggies, of course) though I'm not entirely sure as of yet. Although I'd love to feed Harrison, I cannot afford it, so I've been looking at the brand Versele Laga. Affordable pellets are incredibly hard to find here in the UK, so I may end up just feeding seeds and veg.

If you'd be so kind, I'd love to hear your opinions on the following foods:

SEED (WITH VAM PELLETS): what are vam pellets?
Versele Laga Budgies Prestige.

Ingredients: Yellow millet 52%, Red millet 16%, White millet 12%, Peeled oats 9%, Canary seed 5%, Linseed 3% Safflower 2.5%, Niger seed 0.5%

Analytical Constituents: Protein 12.0%, Fibre 6.5%, Ash 3.5%, Oils and Fats 6.5%

PELLETS:
Versele Laga Nutribird b14

Ingredients: Cereals, Seeds (min. 50 % millet seed), Fruit (min. 5 % fresh fruit), Vegetable protein extracts, Derivatives of vegetable origin, Sugars, Minerals, L-Lysine, Methionine, Extract Yucca schidigera, Fructo-oligosaccharides, Vitamins & Trace elements

Analytical Constituents: Protein 14%, Fat content 8%, Crude fibre 3.5%, Crude ash 6.5%, Calcium 0.9%, Phosphorus 0.6% Lysine 0.75%, Methionine 0.35%, Cystine 0.3%, Threonine 0.5% & Tryptophan 0.15%

Has anyone tried these before? How do they sound nutrition wise? If they're a load of rubbish, could you please explain why and offer other brand suggestions? Oh, and how long (approximately) would 4kg food last one budgie?

Thank you in advance, and I hope you're having a lovely weekend!


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It's great you've started already saving up and researching about these lovely little ones!
Also, your concern about diet is great to hear! Seeds and veggies are good, but if possible, I would recommend ZuPreem or Roudybush for pellets if you can't afford Harrison's. They both have more nutrients than the one mentioned above, and will be better for your little one.
If getting these brands is impossible, you're probably fine with the one you suggested as long as you give him/her a balanced diet including veggies, the seeds you mentioned, and a mineral block.
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Welcome to talk budgies Louise. It is outstanding that you are doing your homework in regard's to budgie ownership before you have the bird. You and your new feathered friend will reap the benefit's of that in many way's...
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Hi Louise, and to Talk Budgies!

I'm happy you are taking the time do do your research before you bring a beautiful little budgie into your home and heart.
S/he will be a very fortunate little bird to have a knowledgeable budgie Mom to provide not only love but the best possible care and attention!

I give my budgies both Roudybush and Zupree pellets (which they all prefer over the Harrisons ) Here is a link to a wonderful article giving excellent information regarding a healthy diet for your budgie-to-be: https://www.cutelittlebirdiesaviary.c...gies-diet.html

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Thank you all for the warm welcome! It's such a shame I can't find ZuPreem or Roudybush in the UK - I've heard nothing but great things about both brands.

I've been searching the forums daily for about a month now - not sure why it only just occurred to me to join. :nuts: Exam brain. I think I must have read all of the wonderful stickies and crucial information twice by now, and I'm sure I'll read them all again over the course of the next couple of months. You can never have too much birdy information in your noggin. I want to find out as much as possible about every aspect of a budgie's care and I'm sure I'm at the right place to do just that.

Thanks again, everyone - you're all just peachy. Do you think I should keep looking for better foods than the ones I linked?
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You are doing a good job of preparing for your new companion. Many breeders in the US. use nonmedicated game bird starter or calf manna that can be ground down to a fine texture and served with the moist food which should contain egg food, fruits, veggies vitamins and probiotics sprinkled on top to catch any missing nutrients. The game bird starter/ calf manna are grain based equivalent to pellets but are less expensive and used by breeders to reduce cost these can be found in live stock feed stores here in US and probably the same in your area. You can order Zupreem or roudybush on the net from Amazon We use roudybush maintence nibles which are small irregular chunks instead of the round pellets. We have found that the budgies like the smaller irregular shape. We also use the game bird starter so that when our budgies go to new homes they have been exposed to the pellet /grain as well as seed.

Seed should show about 50% canary and 25% each red and white millet
with the filler seeds like oil and cracked corn and soy showing 5 to 10 percent of total to 100 so your total might read 45/23/23 leaving 9% for treats and oil seed like flax which is very good for your bird during a molt it strengthens the feather growth and the oil helps the itchy dry skin that bothers molting birds.Oat groats should show 5%+- in the total they add high quality weight especially for young birds or recovering birds.

We combine fresh and dry fruits and veggies and grasses like alfalfa with soft food and seed and pellets to provide a well rounded diet. We feed veggies that we are eating like broccoli or a bit of sweet potato or beets or spinach or lettuce. With only one bird it is easier to save a little aside for your budgie. You might check to see if you can buy your seeds and mix Then add a sample of one of the brands or a super finch brand that has added nutrients and use a good multivitamin like Soluvite D by vetafarm or Prime.
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The other area to check is budgie first aid kit. There are examples here on TB. WE keep a sugarfree powdered electrolyte, probiotics, liquid calcium on hand for emergencies we like avitech products but you have time to look around for the best in your area. For emergency injuries keep cornstarch and or steptic to stop bleeding. then add size to fit budge bandages, scissors,
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Finally, start a savings plan for vet bills and also check with your vet about a payment plan for unexpected large bills. Doing a little at a time will make you and budgie smile later on. Study all you can here on TB in all areas like diet, behavior/training supplies like types of perches and size of a cage for your budgie or an air purifier. Congratulations on thinking a head and looking forward to seeing you and budgie soon here on TB.
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Thank you, Jo Ann! What an informative reply. Don't worry - I've budgeted for unexpected vet bills and I've already started to sort out a first aid kit. I like to be prepared for the worst with all of my pets.

How long do you think a 1kg/2lb bag of food would last a single budgie? I'm trying to figure out what I can afford/monthly costs.

Roudybush pellets are selling for £60 on amazon for a 44oz bag. That's almost $90 usd, according to google. Why oh why doesn't the UK distribute affordable, high quality pellets? It's such a shame!
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Hi, I am shocked at the cost of Roudybush cost. We pay around 50 dollars US with free shipping For a 25 lb bag of Roudybush maintenance nibbles. I suggest you check on line and locally for feed store for cattle and chickens or similar live stock food. In the meantime. Look for non medicated game bird starter, chick starter or calf manna and ask the feed store for possible resources for pellets. I know vetafarm has a line of pellets.What you are looking for is high protein like 17 to 20 percent protein and and nutrients like amino acids .

Perhaps there is a seed brand with pellets mixed in which should be much cheaper. Canary is a very good seed for budgies. It could be cheaper to mix your own. The same for oat groats and the millets are OK. all the fillers cost you money for not much value. The oil seeds you find in finch food are great treats but except for molting and recovering from illness, lack nutritional factors budgies need. I hope this helps . Perhaps residents of UK will be able to help you with alternatives, Blessings, Jo Ann
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Thank you Jo Ann.
I've been searching around the 'net all day (I should be studying, but my excuse is - this is studying - just for a different subject. No one can tell me otherwise )
The best pellets I've found so far are by the brand beaphar. They're plain and cold pressed, as well as almost 98% organic. Perhaps I could offer this with a high quality seed mix (I can easily make my own) vegetables and I could supplement with extra grains and the occasional egg? I was looking at a organic liquid kelp iodine solution which is apparently great to add into the water once or twice a week to prevent iodine proficiency and tumours, too. I'll do some more research on that one, though.

Here are the ingredients of the pellets:
Organic ingredients (97.8%):Wheat, Maize, Tritical, Barley, Starch, Lupin Hulls, Dandelion, Rosemary, Oregano, Orange, Lemon, Whey Poweder, Soy Bean Oil, Sunflower Seeds, Sesame Seed, Flax Seed, Molasses, Potato Protein, Peas, Carrots, Spinach, Alfalfa Meal, Kale, Broccoli, Pumpkin. Other Ingredients (2.2%): Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Sodium Chloride.

Analysis
Protein: 16%
Fibre: 4.9%
Oils & Fat 6.2%
Ash: 4.7%
Moisture: 11%
Calcium: 0.77%
Phosphoru 0.47%
Sodium 0.16%
Magnesium: 0.14%
Potassium: 0.47%

I'm not so sure about the sodium chloride in this one, though it is the last ingredient on the list and only makes up 0.16% of the pellets by the looks of things. Not sure about the molasses, either - though I know it has health benefits for humans. How do these pellets sound?

Thanks again for all your help!

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Healthy bird diet, healthy bird.

Cage & Aviary Birds are completely in the charge of bird-keepers and their health and well-being is mirrored exactly in what they are fed. If they are to lead healthy lives, giving years of pleasure to their owners, it is also a duty to give them the best. And the best is Haith’s.

All bird seeds supplied by Haith’s are SUPERCLEAN™ and are free from contaminants as dust is harmful to a bird’s respiratory system. You and your birds are safe with Haith's.Many breeders in the UK dont like Pellets because they dont think they are Natural. Most people have never heard of them. I dont really fancy buying them myself for my two little budgies i am getting in ten days. I will be feeding them Haiths budgie seed and Tonic seed . Which a lot of breeders recommend over here. Along with Veg and fruit and egg food .I have researched this a lot. And i think that will be fine.

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