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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods

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I have had my current budgies for around 4 years now and after numerous attempts , have finally given up on introducing them to pellets .
Apart from seed , the only eat greens like coriander ,spinach and parsley which I provide 3-4 times a week. They have cuttlebone at all times which they do devour.
Regardless , I do feel they need additional vitamins to supplement their diet.

Since I stay in Dubai (where ebay AND amazon are blocked) , I don't have access to most of the brands suggested . I do have a nice animal pharmacy
around here which sells bird related medication and I managed to get my hands on water soluble vitamins etc.
Apart from the amount to add per litre , the guy did not know about maintaining a proper regime . To those of you who add it to their water , how many times in a week do you do it ?

I have a general mite spray which can be used against external parasites like red mites etc .
I also managed to get 'SCATT' and 'Wormout Gel' by Vetafarm brought in by my uncle who lives in the UK .
These 3 products are all I have to fight against parasites.
what routines would ya'll suggest ? Should it be every month or quarterly ?

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Vinay,

I'm going to flag your post for one of our TB staff members to see.
I believe she will be able to give you advise with regard to a good schedule in answer to your questions.
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Supplements are to cover deficiency or to fulfil the extra need like during breeding and the dosage is according to situation in your case twice a month will be sufficient

When calcium/vitamins supplement is served through water, should be served in the morning and take out when budgies prepare to sleep and throw it away make fresh every time this is important

Spray, scatt and gel is treatment not prevention

First treat your budgies, thoroughly clean and disinfect the cage and everything in it, increase cleaning routine of the cage and spread coopex powder on the floor where cage is placed these are few things for prevention in my opinion
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Hi Vinay, if you can get your birds to eat other vegetables and fruit I would persevere with working on that. The main vitamins that budgies have a deficiency of are Vitamin A and D. Vit A is obtained mainly through red or orange coloured vegetables and fruit, so things like Pumpkin, Carrot (needs to be blanched in boiling water for 1 minute to release the Vit A), Orange Sweet Potato etc. I usually feed these raw and don't bother with the carrot as it is too fiddly and I can get the Vit A from the other sources easily. Vit D is obtained from direct sunlight The sunlight must not pass through anything like glass, plastic, perspex etc. They require about 15 minutes a day. Without Vitamin D they cannot assimilate Calcium efficiently so it is one that is vital.

If your birds are getting sufficient Vitamins and Minerals through their food you should not need to use a supplement at all. If I was to use a supplement I would only use it during breeding cycle as that is when they use more. During non breeding cycle I would not use any. By giving supplements and premium feeding all year round you risk having your birds being in breeding condition all year round and this can cause problems with tumours in the reproductive organs. The reproductive organs enlarge when it is their breeding cycle and shrink when not. In the wild this would be triggered by an abundance of food, so having your birds on a premium diet all year round is a problem. During non breeding cycle which here is in winter the birds are often kept on a very basic diet and around July/August higher protein rich food and fruit and veges are then introduced to bring the birds into condition to breed.

If you have the SCATT and Wormout Gel you should not need the mite spray. SCATT will not only kill any mites on the bird but will also help with worming. My avian vet told me that if your birds are not in contact with wild birds droppings you should only have to worm them once but you could use it twice a year safely. Vegetables like Capsicum (Bell Pepper) and Chilli are not only great for Vitamin C but will also help in worming birds naturally. You cannot really prevent things like mites and worms you can only treat them if you get them. There is no really SAFE way to prevent them. I put emphasis on the safe. Prevention involves chemicals that are toxic and is rarely permanent and has to be used regularly. I endeavour not to use anything like this as I am extremely allergic to them, even pyrethrum which is a natural substance but has been synthesised by chemical companies. Pyrethrum comes naturally from the Pyrethrum Daisy and I cannot even grow the plant. Treatments are chemicals too but fortunately I don't have to use them very often. I usually treat any new birds for worms and mites and then don't have to do most of them again.

I am a great believer in natural over synthetic so I don't tend to use supplements or treatments on a regular basis. Hope that helps.
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Hi Vinay. I agree entirely with Kate regarding her way of thinking on this. I feed a varied as possible diet, I do not like sprays as they go in the birds eyes, nares, and everywhere else where they can be possibly ingested from licking the bars.
Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother in it is great for your budgies as well, a couple of drops in the drinking water a couple of times a week. This acts a natural probiotic and helps keep the digestion cycle working correctly.
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Hi Vinay. I agree entirely with Kate regarding her way of thinking on this. I feed a varied as possible diet, I do not like sprays as they go in the birds eyes, nares, and everywhere else where they can be possibly ingested from licking the bars.
Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother in it is great for your budgies as well, a couple of drops in the drinking water a couple of times a week. This acts a natural probiotic and helps keep the digestion cycle working correctly.
Thank you !
Apple Cider Vinegar is a nice . I shall give it a try .

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Hi Vinay, if you can get your birds to eat other vegetables and fruit I would persevere with working on that. The main vitamins that budgies have a deficiency of are Vitamin A and D. Vit A is obtained mainly through red or orange coloured vegetables and fruit, so things like Pumpkin, Carrot (needs to be blanched in boiling water for 1 minute to release the Vit A), Orange Sweet Potato etc. I usually feed these raw and don't bother with the carrot as it is too fiddly and I can get the Vit A from the other sources easily. Vit D is obtained from direct sunlight The sunlight must not pass through anything like glass, plastic, perspex etc. They require about 15 minutes a day. Without Vitamin D they cannot assimilate Calcium efficiently so it is one that is vital.

If your birds are getting sufficient Vitamins and Minerals through their food you should not need to use a supplement at all. If I was to use a supplement I would only use it during breeding cycle as that is when they use more. During non breeding cycle I would not use any. By giving supplements and premium feeding all year round you risk having your birds being in breeding condition all year round and this can cause problems with tumours in the reproductive organs. The reproductive organs enlarge when it is their breeding cycle and shrink when not. In the wild this would be triggered by an abundance of food, so having your birds on a premium diet all year round is a problem. During non breeding cycle which here is in winter the birds are often kept on a very basic diet and around July/August higher protein rich food and fruit and veges are then introduced to bring the birds into condition to breed.

If you have the SCATT and Wormout Gel you should not need the mite spray. SCATT will not only kill any mites on the bird but will also help with worming. My avian vet told me that if your birds are not in contact with wild birds droppings you should only have to worm them once but you could use it twice a year safely. Vegetables like Capsicum (Bell Pepper) and Chilli are not only great for Vitamin C but will also help in worming birds naturally. You cannot really prevent things like mites and worms you can only treat them if you get them. There is no really SAFE way to prevent them. I put emphasis on the safe. Prevention involves chemicals that are toxic and is rarely permanent and has to be used regularly. I endeavour not to use anything like this as I am extremely allergic to them, even pyrethrum which is a natural substance but has been synthesised by chemical companies. Pyrethrum comes naturally from the Pyrethrum Daisy and I cannot even grow the plant. Treatments are chemicals too but fortunately I don't have to use them very often. I usually treat any new birds for worms and mites and then don't have to do most of them again.

I am a great believer in natural over synthetic so I don't tend to use supplements or treatments on a regular basis. Hope that helps.

Thank you for the advice .
I too prefer a natural approach over supplements. My budgies tend to shun any non-green fresh foods so I'm struggling to make sure their diet is on point.
Even though I wont be breeding since most my budgies are on the older side , I feel they need the extra push diet wise especially during molts. I shall keep offering veggies in the hope they come around.


I'm mainly concerned about prevention cause off-late I've had a few wild doves visiting the place around my aviary to peck on fallen seed. Though there is no contact between them whatsoever , there is always a possibility of cross infection .
I do fully disinfect the cages once every 45 days . That coupled with Scatt and Wormout a couple of times during the year should be enough to tackle parasites ?
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try offering the vegies in different ways, chop up fine and sprinkle over seed/pellets. Brocoli is good for this . My budgies love thyme, basil , this too can be chopped fine. make a mash there are some great recipes here on the forum for budgie foods and treats that are home made have a read through the information.
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