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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods
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Old 08-14-2015, 02:15 PM
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Hi everyone, I've been feeding the calcium and vitamin supplements to my budgies but these have been bought from a vet specializing in dogs and cats as there are no avian vets here. He's a reputed vet and although these supplements are for cats and dogs, he said it was fine for birds. Now, I have been giving these to my birds for quite a long time. It just struck me to confirm here if everything was fine and whether I'm on the right track. I need advice here, so please reply. I'm posting the pics of the supplements.

This is the photo of the calcium supplement. Is phosphorus good for budgies?






These are the pics of Vitamin Supplement.





Are both these fine and contain the right contents? Thanks.

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Old 08-14-2015, 02:42 PM
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Unfortunately, I can't give you an easy answer to your question.

As I am not an Avian Vet, I don't know the exact "prescribed" levels of the vitamins and minerals needed.

The text below comes from this article:
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-budg...-diseases.html
To overcome calcium deficiencies, supplementation is essential, but it must be done properly. An excess of either calcium or phosphorus can lead to problems.

High calcium in the diet can cause other problems as well. Young, growing birds fed high calcium diets can develop kidney problems leading to kidney failure and mineralization. In addition, high calcium levels without increased levels of manganese and zinc will interfere with the absorption of these trace elements.

If too much phosphorus is provided, low calcium levels will result. The excess phosphorus will bind with calcium in the intestine to form an insoluble chemical, calcium phosphate. The remaining phosphorus is still absorbed, but blood calcium levels will be low.
My suggestion would be for you to contact Dr. Saks directly.
Peter S. Sakas DVM, MS
Niles Animal Hospital and Bird Medical Center
7278 N. Milwaukee Ave. Niles, IL 60714
(847)-647-9325 FAX (847)-647-8498
(Perhaps you can send a fax and ask for an email address)

Once you've established contact, let him know there are no Avian Vets nearby in your country and provide the information regarding the supplement you are using and ask if he would please give you his professional opinion.
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Hi deb, thanks for giving an appropriate reply to my query. I had some doubts about the phosphorus(whether it's harmful). I normally give five drops of calcium directly in my birds' beaks and vitamin as mentioned in the label(1-2 drops).

Thanks for providing the contact details of the expert vet. I will definitely try contacting him via e-mail. I just got it through google search - [email protected]. Hope he replies to it.
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I hope he replies to you also!

Please let me know if you do hear back from him and the outcome of the discussion. It would be great to have for future reference.
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I hope he replies to you also!

Please let me know if you do hear back from him and the outcome of the discussion. It would be great to have for future reference.
Will surely let you know the outcome here. Thanks.
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I'm also not properly qualified to enlighten you on this matter.
But I would however be very careful with the liquid calcium. If your budgies are on a good varied diet, have easy access to a cuttlebone/calcium block/ mineral block and are healthy, giving them supplements on a long term basis may be detrimental.

I give my budgies vitamin supplements when I feel they need it (when going through a tough moult, when not feeling well or during convalescence after being sick and after a successful breeding). I usually give them a natural supplement called "Anima Strath", this is also used for multiple animals, including birds. Many of the components are present on the second box of vitamins you posted. And it also contains some phosphorus.
I give this supplement just for one week straight on most cases.

I hope you'll get some answers soon!
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Hi, I would do as FaeryBee suggested and contact an avian vet. Dossages need to be titrated for tiny birds. Please let us know what vet says. Blessings, Jo Ann
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I agree about not using supplements unless necessary. If a bird is getting a good diet including fruit and vegetables the availability of either cuttlebone or a calcium block (remember they also need some direct sunlight so that they can assimilate the calcium) it should not be necessary. Yes some phosphorus is necessary in the diet as is magnesium and potassium. This can be obtained naturally from bananas if you can get your bird to eat some, bananas have these three minerals in them naturally and these three minerals are usually lacking in bird seed.

If you really need to give a vitamin and mineral supplement I suggest you may be able to get some specifically for birds from Vetafarm in Australia, they do mail order overseas. They have avian vets there that develop the products used for birds and the products are very good. I can only give you the link for Vetafarm Australia as I cannot access the International site from here, but you can have a look at the products drop down menu at the top and select the bird products to see what they have. Or you can just do a search for Vetafarm International and look at their catalogue for birds.

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Because my bird's eat a diet of pellet's, and seed's that both offer supplemental vitamin's and mineral's, I have never offered more than cuttlebone and mineral block. If my bird's were eating just seed, or seed along with veggies/fruit's only, I would feel compelled to bolster their diet as you have, especially if they are active breeder's. The second product you are using is obviously fine for bird use and specifies doses, so using it if you come to the conclusion the need is there, is perfectly fine. The first product, as JoAnn mentioned, need's proper dosing for your bird's, but with that figured out, would be fine if the need is there to supplement their current diet. I use several different product's, such as pro biotic, and herbal supplementation, that are intended for human consumption, but with proper dosing level's determined, are beneficial for little bird's too...
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I had mailed him yesterday(the vet) but have had no luck yet with the reply. If I don't get a reply within 2 days, I'll send a second mail.
I gave my birds vitamin supplements yesterday after 15-20 days as I purchased it only day before yesterday. Of the 5 birds, 3 threw up some seeds for 15 secs and were at the cage bottom for about 10 mins bobbing their heads. I sprayed some water on them and they were fine in a minute and today they are all active as usual. Could this be because they were fed vitamins after this much gap? Thanks.

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