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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods
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I'm new to the world of parakeets, only having my budgie for 4 months, but the question I have regarding pellets is this: how long have pellets been around? Aren't they a relatively new trend in the pet bird industry? If so, do we really know what the long term effects of feeding birds a diet of strictly pellets will be? Just wondering...
Deb good point. I have no idea how long pellets have been around.... I buy a fresh bag all of the time but now Indi only gets them as a treat.... I believe to be all natural. But JoAnn and Aluz can answer this question for you. I don't really like pellets for my bird.. That is why he has them for treats....

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From memory in Australia they have only been around for about 10 or so years. But overseas they have been around for longer.

Personally I am not a fan of pellets. As a breeder over here they are far too expensive for the average breeder to feed as a major part of the diet. And like Lyn I prefer to feed natural foods over processed foods. You only have to look at the problems humans are having with their health and processed foods and the same thing is going to happen to our animals as well. We are already finding out about problems with cats and dogs being on too much processed food and many dog breeders are going back to feeding more natural types of foods like raw meat over the processed kibble.

Pellets are easy and you don't have to worry about getting rid of the waste with the seed hulls and you can always see how much actual food is left in the birds food dish and not just empty hulls.

There can also be problems if birds need to be put on medication for an illness. Many drugs are not assimilated with the vitamin and mineral supplements. For instance Doxycycline for psittacosis has problems being assimilated by calcium additives. When treating a bird for this all forms of calcium needs to be removed from the birds diet.

In my opinion we are being brainwashed by the companies that make these products which are made very cheaply and sold for huge profits. Many of these processed foods are made up of very cheap fillers that have no nutritional value at all or very little. These products have been brought about by people who want something easy to give their animals and don't have the time or want to spend the time preparing fresh food for their animals. No different to humans wanting food products that are quick, easy and take no time to prepare and basically just have to be re-heated and served for themselves. Many are just packed full with unhealthy ingredients, preservatives, colourings and flavourings, including salt and sugar to make them taste better.

I developed and make a food for lorikeets (which are pollen and nectar feeders) and when I checked up with the regulatory authority over here I am not required to even put a list of ingredients on the packaging let alone the nutritional percentages. This applies to many animal foods that are registered as a stock feed. And bird food is classified over here as stock feed. I don't know about the regulations in other countries.

These are my opinions and I am afraid I am becoming very cynical about the truths/lies we are being told by manufacturers, drug companies etc.
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Lyn, you are just the sweetest woman ever.

A difference of opinions can be really good. It can lead to amazing exchanges of information that enrich our community and can keep us learning new things, especially when we have a lot of respect for a person who disagrees with us.

For instance, Kate's post made me double check with one of my avian vets today about whether pellets would interfere with medication. (Both Lyta and Tally are at the vet: Lyta's very ill and has been there for several days. Tally was going to simply have a check-up today, but my MIL had an emergency appointment that preempted ours so they could put her 15 year old cat down. We told them they could keep Tally over night so they could concentrate on my poor MIL) Doc was very happy that my babies already get pellets as she felt it would be very helpful for my little girls who have both experienced long-term malnutrition, but she seemed to really appreciate my questions about a potential conflict with medication. (Thanks, Kate! You made me look so much smarter. )

Look, you have a lot of experience with your birds, Lyn, and from what I've seen, Indi is an incredibly happy and healthy budgie with an amazing amount of love for you. I'm really glad you took the time to explain how you keep him healthy.
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Lyn, you are just the sweetest woman ever.

A difference of opinions can be really good. It can lead to amazing exchanges of information that enrich our community and can keep us learning new things, especially when we have a lot of respect for a person who disagrees with us.

For instance, Kate's post made me double check with one of my avian vets today about whether pellets would interfere with medication. (Both Lyta and Tally are at the vet: Lyta's very ill and has been there for several days. Tally was going to simply have a check-up today, but my MIL had an emergency appointment that preempted ours so they could put her 15 year old cat down. We told them they could keep Tally over night so they could concentrate on my poor MIL) Doc was very happy that my babies already get pellets as she felt it would be very helpful for my little girls who have both experienced long-term malnutrition, but she seemed to really appreciate my questions about a potential conflict with medication. (Thanks, Kate! You made me look so much smarter. )

Look, you have a lot of experience with your birds, Lyn, and from what I've seen, Indi is an incredibly happy and healthy budgie with an amazing amount of love for you. I'm really glad you took the time to explain how you keep him healthy.
Celyia Thank you so much you are a sweetheart.... I am learning all of the time with my budgie... The product I am using I am not sure about the pellets I am using I put them in a separate container in his cage with a very small amount of pellets in the dish..another container for his seed separate.... I have put a small amount of pellets in the separate container... I don't really like them. The avian vet said to give them to him...I am going to ring the breeder where I got mine from to to see if they are safe or not but they haven't hurt him yet he only nibbles say one or two a week but he loves his seed the best..... I'll let you know tomorrow what he says.... I want the best for Indi as I love him so much... I'd be heart broken if anything happened to him.... I am only to happy to share and explain how to look after my budgie.... Indi is so happy..... Kate has changed my mind about pellets to... If my breeder says take them out I will...... I'll take to Kate about it later.... Yes I do know most things about my budgie but since I joined here I have learned so much....
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I have left the little pellets in a separate Container in Indis cage.. He doesn't eat a lot of them so they won't hurt him. The product I use is good as the Avain vet made it... I spoke to Kate she said what I use is fine for Indi cause he doesn't eat a lot of them...

But I buy the best of seeds for Indi and he loves his seed the best... Fresh seed makes a healthy bird... Good veggies and fruit to.....

Indi is a show English Budgie I have had no health issues from when I first bought Indi. I love him so much.

I just wanted to share the little pellets with you all and to say seed doesn't hurt our birds....
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Hi Lyn

I only serve seeds and vegies to my budgies and eggfood and calcium/vitamin supliment during breeding

Placed thin branches of Euclyptus, Bottle brush, Grape and Guawa for them to chew and play

Never served pellets does not mean I have any issue with that I have seen several videos of Dr. Tony Gestier of Vetafarm and I really like him
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Tony is a lovely guy too Chirper and great to talk to. I have met him on many occasions with my involvement with bird clubs and one of my friends who I get all my bird products from is a distributor for Vetafarm. Our parrot club did an aviary tour earlier this year and they had a guided tour over the Vetafarm plant. Would have loved to have gone but I had no one to look after my animals for 3 days and I couldn't afford to go anyway.
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Thanks chirpier... I don't like pellets much but I was talking to Kate about them and she said if he is eating only a few that is fine... I like to give my budgie seed the best.... All natural.... I'd take out the pellets but mum said to leave them there they are not doing any harm... Indi has a bottle brush branch in his cage to sit on...But if they upset him out goes the pellets....
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