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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods

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i recently switched to this brand below as it seemed more healthy for my budgie

Vita Nature Budgie Dinner 750g | Pets At Home

Composition and Nutrition^Ingredient(s):
cereals (3.5% foxtail millet), seeds, hibiscus petals (2.5%), minerals, parsley (2%), derivatives of vegetable origin, oils and fats.

But I recently came across the Beaphar budgie food brand, which seems to be a popular brand at my local chain pet shop

Beaphar XtraVital Parakeet Food 1 kg (Pack of 4): Amazon.co.uk: Pet Supplies Beaphar XtraVital Parakeet Food 1 kg (Pack of 4): Amazon.co.uk: Pet Supplies


Ingredients / Composition:
Seed composition is variable but might typically include;- red millet, nyger, green millet, white millet, canary grass, buckwheat, hemp, paddy rice, peeled oats, wild turnip, rolled oats, sorghum, safflower, wheat, linseed, sesame, lettuce. Fruit composition is variable but might typically include citrus and rosehips. Vitamins include Vits A / D3 . Minerals include Calcium, Sodium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Potassium, Iron, Iodine, Copper, manganese & zinc. Additional proteins are included as Eggfood. Honey is added for palatability & Echinacea extract, which is considered a valuable supplement by many people. XtraVital Parakeet Feed is a tasty and well balanced, seed-based premium bird food, developed in cooperation with nutritionists, vets, and bird experts. Ideal for budgies and other small parakeets. It combines fruit, 26 varieties of seeds and egg food to provide optimum nutrition. One packet will feed a typical budgie for 60 days.


I was hoping that someone with more budgie experience might be able to tell me which of these two brands would be the best/healthiest choice to feed my budgie as a regular everyday food

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I would guess that the second option may be a better brand to go with and look more into. I noticed right off they do a better job of letting the buyer know what's inside, than the fist one does, which is more vague. Hopefully someone else will come along and share their knowledge of foods with us.
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When looking at a balanced food containing seeds focus on the percentage pf the basic seeds like canary, the millets, oat groats, you want to see a much smaller volume of the special finch seeds that are high in oil and calories. Flax seed is an oil seed but it is an important support of feather growth and for recovering from illness. Protein should be in the high teens and fats and carbs should be lower. The nutrients provided in a seed mix may not be digested if they are simply cast away with the shells unless you have something like Nutriberries which contain hulled seeds and pellets that have the nutrients compressed into the pellets. Hopefully the budgies will learn to eat the pellets.
Organic products help prevent exposure to chems used in agriculture. The organic brands are high priced. The moderately priced brands I have found
reasonable are Zupreem in the canary size pellet, Roudybush in the nibbles irregular shape, and the very fine shaped Harrisons grains. Vetafarm is a good source in Australia. again get the finest size available. For people with large flocks We use poultry feed bags that are in a fine grain texture for chicks. For us with a large flock we can not verify that all of our birds eat every nutrient so we add a vitamin /nutrient supplement Called Soluvite D which also contains probiotics. We either dissolve in drinking water or use to sprinkle over the soft egg food we feed daily. Pellet brands often say you do not need extra vitamins when serving pellets. We have no way of following each bird so we provide alternate ways to get their nutrients. This includes a fine powdered clay with wide range micro minerals needed in budgie diets that is carried by ladygouldianfinch.com. Manu roses and other mineral wheels/blocks also provide mineral/calcium/iodine sources. The inclusion of egg/food and fresh veggies and some fruit like blueberries , and where available fresh/dried grasses like alfalfa . provide the variety that is the key to a good budgie diet.

We use a basic percent ratio of 50 canary to 20red millet to 20 white millet and oat groats 5 percent +_allow5 to 10 percent for the fancy high calorie seed. Then we allow 50%+- pellet/loose granular with the added nutrients which we mix our selves from 50lb bags of seeds and then the bulk pellet/grains to reduce cost. Then we add soft egg food and fresh/ dry foods and finally treats. We increase the soft foods when feeding chicks and families.We feed families all the soft food they will eat while having pellets and seed always available so the cock and hen can change the food to fit the crop milk given to different age chicks.
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When looking at a balanced food containing seeds focus on the percentage pf the basic seeds like canary, the millets, oat groats, you want to see a much smaller volume of the special finch seeds that are high in oil and calories. Flax seed is an oil seed but it is an important support of feather growth and for recovering from illness. Protein should be in the high teens and fats and carbs should be lower. The nutrients provided in a seed mix may not be digested if they are simply cast away with the shells unless you have something like Nutriberries which contain hulled seeds and pellets that have the nutrients compressed into the pellets. Hopefully the budgies will learn to eat the pellets.
Organic products help prevent exposure to chems used in agriculture. The organic brands are high priced. The moderately priced brands I have found
reasonable are Zupreem in the canary size pellet, Roudybush in the nibbles irregular shape, and the very fine shaped Harrisons grains. Vetafarm is a good source in Australia. again get the finest size available. For people with large flocks We use poultry feed bags that are in a fine grain texture for chicks. For us with a large flock we can not verify that all of our birds eat every nutrient ao we add a vitamin /nutrient supplement Called Soluvite D which also contains probiotics. We either dissolve in drinking water or use to sprinkle over the soft egg food we feed daily. Pellet brands often say you do not need extra vitamins when serving pellets. We have no way of following each bird so we provide alternate qays to get their nutrients. This includes a fine powdered clay with wide range microminerals needed in budgie diets that is carried by ladygouldianfinch.com. Manu roses and other mineral wheels/blocks also provide mineral/calcium/iodine sources. The inclusion of egg/food and fresh veggies and some fruit like blueberries , and where available fresh/dried grasses like alfalfa . provide the variety that is the key to a good budgie diet. Blessings, Jo Ann
so you dont think either of the brands i posted are suitable?
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thank you thats what i was thinking also
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Carla,

Looking at the two products you listed, I would go with the second option. The only thing that concerns me about it is it reads:
Seed composition is variable but might typically include...
so they aren't telling you what seed is actually going to be included in the product.

Are you possibly in an area where you could buy fresh bulk seed and mix your own?
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Carla,

Looking at the two products you listed, I would go with the second option. The only thing that concerns me about it is it reads:
Seed composition is variable but might typically include...
so they aren't telling you what seed is actually going to be included in the product.

Are you possibly in an area where you could buy fresh bulk seed and mix your own?
im not sure where i would go to buy fresh bulk seed. i know a couple of independent pet shops, i dont know if they would have any fresh seed. and if they did, i would need a lot of different types of seed to mix together and i would have no idea what type to buy
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Feed stores where you get horse , poultry etc supplies is the place to get single seed or contact a local seed company and ask them to build you a bag with
50 percent canary, 15 to 20 percent of each of the millets and add oat groats for the remainder then buy the second brand you listed to give the fancy seeds it contains, If you could get a couple of friends with parakeets you could buy a 50 pound bag and split it then freeze the bulk and use the working bag.
The other option is a pet store that will let you mix from bins. The mixed bags hold you prisoner to the seed they provide and they can fill it with the lower value seeds . There is nothing wrong with the treat seeds, but when they are misused to put the basic nutrition seeds in a lower percent. and also remember that seed mix that adds nutrients is wasting nutrients unless the seeds are already shelled. otherwise the nutrients fall away in the hulls. This is why nutriberries is a good option as it uses seeds that are already shelled. Here in the states a lot of us breeders form local buying units tho make it possible to buy the base seeds and mix for the best balance of nutrition. Se if there are any budgie breeders nearby. They may be willing to sell you from their feed stock is another option. Budgie parents with only one or 2 birds get cheated by the fancy seed vendors. Hopefully breeders from you area may also check in. Blessings, Jo Ann
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Carla,

Looking at the two products you listed, I would go with the second option. The only thing that concerns me about it is it reads:
Seed composition is variable but might typically include...
so they aren't telling you what seed is actually going to be included in the product.

Are you possibly in an area where you could buy fresh bulk seed and mix your own?
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Feed stores where you get horse , poultry etc supplies is the place to get single seed or contact a local seed company and ask them to build you a bag with
50 percent canary, 15 to 20 percent of each of the millets and add oat groats for the remainder then buy the second brand you listed to give the fancy seeds it contains, If you could get a couple of friends with parakeets you could buy a 50 pound bag and split it then freeze the bulk and use the working bag.
The other option is a pet store that will let you mix from bins. The mixed bags hold you prisoner to the seed they provide and they can fill it with the lower value seeds . There is nothing wrong with the treat seeds, but when they are misused to put the basic nutrition seeds in a lower percent. and also remember that seed mix that adds nutrients is wasting nutrients unless the seeds are already shelled. otherwise the nutrients fall away in the hulls. This is why nutriberries is a good option as it uses seeds that are already shelled. Here in the states a lot of us breeders form local buying units tho make it possible to buy the base seeds and mix for the best balance of nutrition. Se if there are any budgie breeders nearby. They may be willing to sell you from their feed stock is another option. Budgie parents with only one or 2 birds get cheated by the fancy seed vendors. Hopefully breeders from you area may also check in. Blessings, Jo Ann
i found a website to a farm that sells tons of different kinds of wild bird seeds, fresh from their own farm... i havent looked up every kind of seed that i would need yet but i know they have the basics, canary seed, and millet. but they only sell 4kg bags or larger and i really dont want 4kg bags of each seed so i have emaled them to see if they would do a deal on a smaller batch.

i was thinking of a mix like

40% canary
40% millet ( red millet and white millet as that is the only millet she offers)
10% oats
10% of mixed seeds like Niger seed, sesame, chia, flax,hemp, quinoa, (are sunflower seeds ok)?

what do you guys think of that mix? anything you would advice that i add or take out?
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I get my budgie seed from here - they have budgie Prestige and the Beaphar one every day approx 3 quarters Prestige 1 quarter Beaphar. I am happy with both - the Prestige one grows readily so they have sprouts sometimes too. They are doing well on this and Zooplus is an excellent site for all things pet related. I can recommend them.

Budgie Food: great selection at zooplus

They also have fruit and vegetables too.
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