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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods

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Old 12-24-2015, 12:03 AM
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Hello all and merry early Christmas! I'm going to apologize in advanced for the wordy post but I figured you wonderful people could lend me a hand as I'm not sure what my best option for seed would be

I've recently come to a stand still with the pellets I'm going to give the canary size a shot next. They (or at least Popsicle) have gone from eating both pellets and seed to only eating the seed again, I'm assuming it has to do with winter but who knows with picky budgies I don't really want to do a 100% pellet diet (fruit and veg aside) and would like to keep my girls on at least 60% pellet to 40% seed, if not more pellet, (my vet recommended 50/50 but I'd like the seed to be a bit lower). So now I'm thinking a higher quality seed is needed. They're currently eating Hagen, which is a good quality seed when pellets are also being eaten, but I'm hoping to get something with a bit more too it. I've also been making my own "Nutri-Berries" so they're still getting pellet that way as well.

One of my favourite pet stores, Pisces, sells Sunseed Vita Parakeet Formula, Vitakraft Sunseed Inc., which I've heard is a good one. Pisces does have several other high quality ones but all of them contain some form of nut

I've also read the sticky about quality seed mix but unfortunately a $25 bag of Volkman is $35 to ship, curse you Canadian shipping rates My girls also have no idea what to do with sprouts, that being said I have a different sprout mix I'm going to give a shot but it's not meant to be used as a diet staple like pellet would so I'd still like a good seed I can give them along side the pellet and possible sprouts.

So, would it be best to stick with the Hagen and pellets or give the Sunseed and pellets a shot? Maybe integrate a bit of both seed mixes?

Thanks! Have a wonderful evening

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The problem with seed generally is not necessarily the quality (though obviously a higher quality seed i preferable) but the extremely high fat content, something which is consistent across brands and quality level. Captive birds simply do not exercise enough to burn off that high fat content, and the fat they cannot break down may end up in their liver, where it can cause serious harm. I have strong feelings about this subject because my budgie, Kimchi, was recently diagnosed with fatty liver disease-- the only treatment for which is a pellet-based diet. Seed on its own will always lead to these health problems no matter the brand.

If given a choice between seeds and pellets, I find budgies will always choose seed-- just I almost always choose a less healthy food! Since they're struggling with pellets, can you up the intake of fresh fruits and veggies in addition to the seeds? My vet recommended pulling the main food in the morning for an hour or two (when birds are most hungry) to coax eating more fresh vegetables.

Also, since you mention you have had success with homemade nutriberries, have you tried pellet berries? I tried EVERYTHING to get Kimchi eating pellets with very little success-- but then I stopped offering loose seeds for a few days, only nutriberries. When he accepted the nutriberries, I offered pellet berries instead. They are made with the same coating as nutriberries, but are pellet based instead of seed. Since they look (and taste) a lot like nutriberries, he chowed down-- and we've stopped offering seed since then. Long term we will introduce a bit back in as a treat, but for now he's eating pellet berries and fresh food only.
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Hi Amy, thank you so much for your wonderful reply. I apologize it took me so long to look at it, with Christmas festivities and such I got rather caught up.

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I have strong feelings about this subject because my budgie, Kimchi, was recently diagnosed with fatty liver disease...
I'd like to start by saying I'm so sorry your little Kimchi has fatty liver disease and I hope his health is improving

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Seed on its own will always lead to these health problems no matter the brand.
I absolutely believe this is true, and after a lot of thought and consideration put into this decision I've decided that I'll be starting putting my girls onto a 100% pellet diet (aside from fruits and veg). Slowly introducing seed treats after they have made the switch.

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My vet recommended pulling the main food in the morning for an hour or two (when birds are most hungry) to coax eating more fresh vegetables.
I have seen this recommended in other threads as well and will definitely start pulling their seed in the morning and leaving pellet and fresh vegetables for a couple hours and see how they do with that.

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Also, since you mention you have had success with homemade nutriberries, have you tried pellet berries?
I did have success with the homemade nutriberries, both girls enjoyed them and couldn't pick just the seed out. I've never heard or thought of making them with pellets instead of seed, that's a wonderful idea thank you I'll definitely give that a try.

I just got them a new flight cage ( yay boxing day sales ) so once I've moved them into there I will start transitioning them to 100% pellets. Lets hope all goes well
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I'd just like to say that no matter which condition the budgies are in, it's never good to have them on 100% pellets permanently. I would say it's fine with 100% pellets for a week or so to get them used to them if they're picky (I did this with my girl) and then slowly add a few seeds to go with it. My girl eats mostly pellets but does get a teaspoon of seed daily The key to a healthy budgie diet is variety!
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I'd just like to say that no matter which condition the budgies are in, it's never good to have them on 100% pellets permanently. I would say it's fine with 100% pellets for a week or so to get them used to them if they're picky (I did this with my girl) and then slowly add a few seeds to go with it. My girl eats mostly pellets but does get a teaspoon of seed daily The key to a healthy budgie diet is variety!
I 100% agree with you! My plan is to give them a fairly pellet heavy diet for hopefully no longer than 1 week just to get them eating it again, and then to give about 30% to 40% (is that a good range?) seed back to them in the form of homemade "nutri-berries" and some loose seed. Right now they have about 90% pellet to 10% seed with fresh and frozen/thawed veg daily and fresh fruit a couple times a week. They also just moved into a new cage so they're adjusting to that as well which is somewhat hindering my progress My goal is to have them in a solid at least 30% seed - 70% pellet (aside from fruit and veg) just so they do have some variety. If you think that's a good plan, I would love to know. Or any other suggestions

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Sounds good to me! That's exactly what my girl eats and I think it's a perfect plan! I'm glad they're adjusting well so far!
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