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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods
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Old 05-07-2016, 11:58 PM
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I'm having such difficulty with these budgies! I took them to the vet to get their nails trimmed and to meet the new vet, and some how Lemon and Sweetie have gained weight again. I just don't understand what I am doing wrong. They eat fresh veggies every day, pellets, and good seed. No millet, no corn.
Do you guys keep food in with them all day or just have scheduled feeding times? I was thinking of doing scheduled feeding times but they are so little with fast metabolisms I don't want harm to come to them. They really need to lose some grams, Sweetie was almost 50g!!
I've been making them fly a lot more than usual to help exercise it off.

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Old 05-08-2016, 12:02 AM
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Oh dear I'm sure someone will be able to help you on this.you might have to put them a feeding schedule.Blessings and hopefully soon some of our wonderful friends will have a great idea for you.Blessings and keep us posted
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:09 AM
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Oh my goodness 50 grams is big.
do they tend to eat and sit preen sleep then eat again?
I found once Blue lost weight he became much more active, he was able to fly much more easily and even runs around the floor or benches now.
I found the restrictive feeding to be the best way to attack the problem. Ten minutes in the morning upon waking then remove the seed, pellets . I left the green food. I also scattered the seeds so they had to forage for it, this is getting them moving around as well. Provide toys, free flight as often as possible. don't give up regular weighing is good too.
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I'm glad they're otherwise healthy, but Cathy has given some good advice on how to help them lose those extra grams.

I think that a strict feeding regimen is a good idea, hopefully that along with more foraging and only green foods as snacks during the day should help
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Oh my goodness 50 grams is big.
do they tend to eat and sit preen sleep then eat again?
I found once Blue lost weight he became much more active, he was able to fly much more easily and even runs around the floor or benches now.
I found the restrictive feeding to be the best way to attack the problem. Ten minutes in the morning upon waking then remove the seed, pellets . I left the green food. I also scattered the seeds so they had to forage for it, this is getting them moving around as well. Provide toys, free flight as often as possible. don't give up regular weighing is good too.
Sweetie has always been a bigger budgie in terms of bone structure, so he's not too badly overweight, but he's still needing to lose a couple. I've heard multiple people say they think he's half english, but I've been going by his chest bone. Lemon is a little pet shop budgie, I'm under no disillusions of english grandeur with her, she's just fat.
They run about and do crazy nonsense all day generally, but whenever they have their outside the cage they just want to snuggle with me or be on me. I am going to start withholding seeds and just giving them access to veggies during the day then.


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Old 05-08-2016, 11:21 AM
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How much seed are you giving them each day?

A budgie only needs 1 1/2 - 2 teaspoons of a high quality seed daily.

It is best to measure the seed to ensure you are not overfeeding.
I give my birds 1/2 their daily ration in the morning and 1/2 in the evening.
I put clean newspaper on the bottom grate of their cages and scatter the seed there for them to forage for it.

I leave pellets in the cage 24/7.
However, if your budgies are consuming a large amount then I would start measuring and rationing those as well.

If you use leafy green vegetables (rather than say, corn; sweet potato, and other vegetables high in sugar content) your budgies should be able to have as much of the vegetables as they want.
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How much seed are you giving them each day?

A budgie only needs 1 1/2 - 2 teaspoons of a high quality seed daily.

It is best to measure the seed to ensure you are not overfeeding.
I give my birds 1/2 their daily ration in the morning and 1/2 in the evening.
I put clean newspaper on the bottom grate of their cages and scatter the seed there for them to forage for it.

I leave pellets in the cage 24/7.
However, if your budgies are consuming a large amount then I would start measuring and rationing those as well.

If you use leafy green vegetables (rather than say, corn; sweet potato, and other vegetables high in sugar content) your budgies should be able to have as much of the vegetables as they want.
I've been giving them 2 tbsp of seed/pellet mix every day split into two containers, along with a rotation of a variety of greens (spinach, dill, cilantro, broccoli, etc) or grated carrot every day. I have been leaving the seed mix in there with them all day as well as the green veg which I will replace if it gets wilted and/or mutilated.
I've already mixed up the pellets and seed so I think I'll give them their mix spread out so they have to forage for it, then take that away after 15 mins or so every morning and evening; leave the veg all day.
Also because I basically have a bird room now (we got a two bedroom and the budgies are in the second room until their full cage arrives) I've been getting them to fly around extra.
I'll be picking up a new scale as soon as I can find one here that is sensitive enough.
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Two Tablespoons of seed is more than needed.

At most you want to use 2 teaspoons of seed per budgie per day.

4 teaspoons = 1 1/3 Tablespoon.

I'm sure you'll soon help Sweetie and Lemon slim down with the rationing of seed/pellets and additional exercise.

We'll be looking forward to seeing their
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Even a postal scales will work. Walmart type stores have very reasonably priced gram kitchens scales. and for just over 20 dollars. Windy City Parrot has a good gram scale. After all 50 grams is not even 2 ozs, Budgies will naturally add a few grams during cooler months and moving toward breeding season. I would do a study of exactly when and how much your budgies gain /loose weight. Your larger budgie looks perfect for a small English or a 50/50 to me. Most winning show budgies run around 60 to 70 grams and I have had a couple at 80 grams. Your smaller budgie should be around 35grms +- up to 40grms. Cathy gave you right on advice. I personally never leave our budgie flock without water or a seed /pellet mix. Maybe go light on seed and add more pellets to the diet.

If a budgie gets a little chubby. first check the long term weight record, season, presence of stress issues. Late winter adults bulk up to get warm and prepare to breed. After the age of 2 young budgies have finished growth spurts. Adults will slim down during late spring /Summer into Fall. Cold weather signals weight gain. Budgies in the Southern Hemisphere have a reverse cycle. If the weight is all in the chest this could be fluid or a tumor signaling an avian vet visit . Check for panting. Your larger budgie is well proportioned /with proper weight distribution. Many vets like to see budgies lean and mean. I like to look at potential activities, traveling and stress of being in a show. A budgie can loose several grams in only one day. So increase activity and decrease seed volume and observe the bird. If you are in the US, your bird should be svelte and slender while next winter it should have added a few grams.

In recent years, I have become convinced that an accurate long term record of weight plus condition of droppings are the 2 most important indicators of the health of our birds. Add in all of the other indicators to support your analysis and decision to visit an avian vet. Both are indicators are empirical and should have long term records which can be notated with comments for reasons for variations. This gives your avian vet excellent data to begin the full exam and help come to a final decision to help your bird to recover. Waiting is not a good Idea it can make it much harder for it to recover. Do not forget to keep the first aid kit updated and ready for any emergency. Your life will be much smoother. Best wishes, Jo Ann
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Oh my, our handsome grey Sweetie does seem to be getting a bit of a pot belly and I'm so suprised that he's nearly 50g, but like you said I also think he's just a big-framed boy like Chewie. Maybe they can both hit the gym together...and get all the ladies' attention together too
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