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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods
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Question Cuttlebone conflict

Hey everybirdie! Now before anyone say anything, I constantly have cuttlebones in all our cages, and always will unless explicitly expressed by my avian vet not to.

With that being said, Lonny found a Q&A on the Roudybush website and this was one of them:

"Q: Do birds need cuttlebone when being fed Roudybush products?
A: We do not recommend offering cuttlebone to birds that are being fed Roudybush pellets. Our diets are formulated with mineral and vitamin requirements in mind. Birds offered cuttlebone in addition to Roudybush pellets may actually reach toxic levels of certain nutrients such as calcium. If you are worried about the growth of your bird’s beak or nails, there are many toys, perches, and branches available in the market that not only help keep your bird stimulated, but also help keep the beak and toenails to an appropriate length."

I just wanted to ask the good people here if there is any merit to this, because if not, then they are putting information out there that could potentially harm our birds. Lonny brought it to my attention, and I do remember reading this before, but never really thought too much of it. I have always thought that no matter what, our fids needed cuttlebone in their cages at all times.

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It was always my belief that a budgie won't just eat cuttlebone for fun, but just when they need it, which is why they can remain untouched for ages and then suddenly they start going at it. So I would assume this would be the same when they eat pellets that supply them with calcium that they would know they didn't need any extra.

I'll be interested to hear what others have to say though.
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Kristen,

I don't think this has merit at all. The reason it's safe to leave sources of calcium around the cage like cuttlebones, mineral blocks, etc. is because budgies only eat from them when their body tells them to do so.

Therefore, if they're already getting enough calcium in their food, they won't use them as much.

Cuttlebones are also an important source of iodine if there's no iodine block

EDIT: Oh, see, Therm and I both said the same thing so we must be right!
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This is another potentially controversial topic as everyone is going to have their own opinion on the matter.
The important thing when it comes to issues of this sort is to do your research, consider advice of those you trust and respect then make your informed decisions based on facts.

I've heard those who do not advocate using pellets say feeding pellets increases the risk of overdosing particular Vitamins and Minerals.

My personal opinion is that a cuttlebone and mineral block should be in every bird's cage at all times.

I agree with Therm and Star that birds will actually only ingest parts of the cuttlebone and mineral block when their bodies need those particular vitamins and minerals.
(My birds sometimes just like to chew on their cuttlebones but drop the particles rather than eating them.
In essence, using it like a chew or shredder toy.)

I believe that a balanced diet including pellets, a good quality seed mix, vegetables, occasional fruit and eggfood will contribute to a healthy and happy budgie.

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Thank you all so much! I had an itching feeling that this was the case. I have cuttlebones and 2 mineral blocks in the cages now, and they will definitely be staying put! I actually have to switch the cuttlebones tonight because they are pretty pathetic looking, . I just thought that this should be put out there because some people might go to Roudybush's site and see that and then take out the cuttlebones, not realizing that our birds "self medicate" with this stuff.
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I feed Roudybush and have offered cuttlebone at the same time and never had any adverse affects. My birds really don't use their cuttlebone anyway. I am now trying out a calcium perch in my tiel's cage to see if that will have more appeal but she/he won't even perch on it. None of my birds seem to use supplements at all so there may be something to them not needing it on a Roudybush diet or maybe they just don't care for cuttlebone and calcium supplements either way I don't see any real harm.
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I'm not going to get into to much detail here, but needless to say there is some merit in what RoudyBush suggests in relation to an all pellet diet. Harrison's makes the same claim. However, it doesn't mean that you can't keep a cuttlebone or mineral block in the cage and let your birdies eat what they will, and especially for breeding.

My angst is that I actually went through this with Nutmeg. Not because they were on pellets at the time, no...but because she developed a tumour or ovulation issue that made her body think she was producing an egg which stimulated this need for calcium, and so she kept eating it, even though I asked my AV at the time if I should stop offering it because she had mush developing in her uterus -- NOT EGGS, but calcified mush.

Anyway, this is clearly a different issue and is based on my experience and one that focused on my hen and problems with her reproductive system. If I could turn back time I would do everything differently and listen to my gut. I can't say this is fact because I can't prove it, but if you understand basic medical practice and how these systems work, it appears from the x-rays that she was in egg production but no eggs just overproducing calcified garbage in her abdomen.

In any case, I agree with everyone else here that it isn't harmful itself, and healthy birds are just that, healthy. They will eat what they want most of the time, and at times barely touch it at all. I personally prefer the Iodine blocks for both iodine and calcium. My budgies seem to like that more than the cuttlebone. And as FaeryBee mentioned, makes a perfectly messy chew toy

I guess I am feeling a bit triggered by this because the question is a good one and I think after what Nutmeg went through , I just want to suggest to all members that if your hens are problem layers, have reproductive issues or tumours and have increased abdominal swelling, that's when I absolutely insist you see an Avian Vet, ask questions, and hammer them on the issue of continued calcium or mineral block use during such issues.
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Dor excellent advice and as always consulting with an Avian vet for any issue you may have is a must. I also have calcium perches, and blocks in my cages.
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Dor, the points you made is fantastic advice for anyone who goes through what your Nutmeg went through. It can sometimes be so hard to judge what is right, even when consulting with people trained to know the right answers and I think, as you said, gut instinct is something that occasionally we have to go with.
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Thanks for the reassurance guys! I had no plans on taking them out, but I wanted to make sure this was here somewhere for our new members to see. Either way, always, always, always consult your vet when you have questions you can't answer.
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