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Diet and Nutrition Discuss issues related to diet and learn about encouraging your budgie to a variety of healthy foods

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Unhappy budgie pellet brands?

after doing some research i found out that the pellets sold in my country (Zupreem , Pretty Bird, Nutribird , Kaytee ) are some of the worse out there. ( seen here :Part Of The Flock)

i've looked at ways to purchase better ones online but it all comes out being highly expensive.

should i wait until i ( hopefully ) move to Canada untill i purchase a budgie so i could give it high quality pellets or will the ones in my country still suffice?

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What country do you live in? A few people here feed zupreem and seem to be quite happy with it
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I think we can very easily overthink nutrition.

There is a lot of information of the pellet contents on that link but what does it really mean? Without another list (that I have previously searched for but never found) of recommended budgie daily intake of all the food groups, vitamins and minerals with minimum and maximum amounts, for you to compare with the pellet ingredients, it actually means very little.
The bullet pointed 'danger points' noted in that link, are unquantified and so again, mean very little - for example, we know that we need to remove any seeds from apples before giving it to our birds, do you know why? It's because like cherries and other fruits, they contain cyanogenic glycosides - a source of cyanide. My son will eat an apple, core and all, am I concerned, no, because the amount of cyanide from the seeds from one apple will not cause an effect to him.

In my opinion, pellets are an educated guess plus a lot of marketing. Even if we could have a perfect nutritionally balanced pellet, what would be the effect on mental health of eating solely that with no variety in colour, taste, texture and no seeds to crack and open?
My personal opinion is to follow the dietary advice on this forum for a general diet of limited seeds, as big a variety of fresh foods as possible, a consideration for vit D either via specialised lamps, outdoor sunlight or supplements, cuttlebone, mineral block etc and then consider pellets as being the safety net to add anything missed (due to either owner not supplying or bird avoiding eating) plus it's a low fat food source that a greedy bird can munch on without any real negative effects.
I wouldn't fret too much over the choice of pellets.
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i see. thank you so much! you've calmed me down quite a bit !
of course i will give my budgies sprouts and fresh veggies as well as pellets! it's just that i know it should take up almost half of the birds' daily intake of food so i wanted it to be of good quality.

what about seed mix for birds? are all brands of it good as well? i've heard of some brands not sprouting, meaning the seeds are dead. should this, along with checking the ingredient list, be the only check for good quality seeds?

also, i am from israel
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Have a read through this sticky:
https://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutritio...-seed-mix.html
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i did read it, thanks !
so, to find a good quality seed mix in my country, all i have to do is check that the seeds on the list are in the mix and they they are able to sprout?
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Both Dr Harvey's and Volkman's seeds are listed as good quality seed mixes on that stickie and are both available on the Amazon link you posted on your cage thread.

They should sprout HOWEVER as the sticky states, some countries (& I don't know if Israel is one of them) will only import seeds that have been treated so to prevent them sprouting (presumably to protect their country's natural flora & fauna), so they may have been treated to prevent sprouting.

If you're looking for seed mixes available in stores in Israel, you could contact an avian vet there (as a future customer) and ask what they recommend; they may stock seed mixes at their practices.
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i understand. thank you so much for your help!

i have another quesion.
in the article Complete Care System for Budgerigars it is stated that:
'As pets, they also eat quickly and entirely focus on de-husking and consuming seeds as rapidly as possible. The intricate process of eating is an important and essential part of their happiness in captivity and a major reason why processed pelleted food is unsuitable for budgerigars'

and

'Seed Diet - Food supplements are needed for occupation & food value.Seeds are essential and must be provided to budgerigars. Pelleted food is not suitable.'

does it state that pellet food is not suitable for replacing seeds or not suitable at all for budgies? and will the supplements mentioned in the article not be provided via pellets?

i am sorry for bombarding you with so many questions, thanks for putting up with me ! again, thank you so so much for your help!
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My advice is just follow the general diet advice mentioned before. In my opinion, it's the most sensible compromise for a general pet budgie owner.

Pellets v supplements are another debate and the more you search the more you're going to keep finding opposing views. If you really want to look into that debate, have a look at the following article:
Pellets-Yes Or No
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Budgies should have a varied diet to include:

A high quality seed mix
Pellets (such as Roudybush, Harrisons or Zupreem)
Vegetables
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Occasionally a bit of fruit (not often as it is high in sugar content)

This is all laid out very succinctly in these threads:

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...ur-budgie.html

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...-seed-mix.html

https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...lay-roses.html
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