Help needed urgently! 2 budgies dead and a third gone blind! - Talk Budgies Forums


User Menu
Forum Home
Budgie Gallery
Budgie FAQ
Site Guidelines
How-To-Guide
Members List
Today's Posts
Log In
Register now!
Search



Advanced Search
Popular Forums
Announcements

Budgie Articles

Budgie Talk

Budgie Pictures

Budgie Videos

Budgie Behavior

Determining Gender

Your Budgie's Health

Taming and Bonding

Budgie Breeding

In Memory

Other Birds

Contests

Chit Chat

Site Information

Talk Network
Talk Budgies
Talk Cockatiels
Talk Parrotlets
Talk Parrots
Sponsored Ads

Go Back   Talk Budgies Forums > Budgie Talk > Your Budgie's Health > Diseases and Illnesses


Closed Thread
 
Short URL LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 11-28-2016, 06:48 AM
Sabine.L's Avatar
Sabine.L (Sabine)
Baby Budgie
 
Profile:Sabine.L is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 12
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Owner
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Finland
Posts: 372
Gallery: 7
Karma:
Points: 62
Rep Power: 8
Sabine.L will become famous soon enough
Default Help needed urgently! 2 budgies dead and a third gone blind!

This month has been awful for my budgies and myself. I had two budgies die, one died suddenly (necropsy revealed fat around internal organs) possibly a heart attack, the second had fluids in the heart sack and showed obvious signs of illness before death (I could still not get to the vet in time). The third case in as many weeks went suddenly blind last night. She is a lutino and no older than 2 years.

It was around bedtime last night that it happened. She was hanging on a toy when she started to flail around as if stuck and then fell down. She started walking around in circles on the cage floor not knowing where to go because she could not see a thing. Her pupils react normally to light so it is a neurological issue?? She had a weak moment during the night when she could not hold on to the perch but now she is doing ok, she has been eating but looks depressed and lost. Today it seems she can see shadows, she moves away whenever my hand casts a shadow on her face. I can't imagine how scared she must be, not knowing what's going on around her.

I'm taking her to the vet today. When I called the nurse didn't feel the cases were related. But if the vet feels they are he might do a home inspection for me to see if something is wrong with the environment.

Does anyone have any ideas what it could be? I don't burn candles, or use any detergents that might be toxic or use teflon pans. I have many orchids in my home but they have not been chewed on. The cage is made of untreated wood and panels from my previous cages (no galvanised nets). I have quite high humidity around my windows since I have so many plants and the air ventilation has been bad(sometimes cigarette smoke comes through from my neighbors apartment 2 floors down!!). I'm going to move from here very soon. My birds have shown no signs of respiratory illness, seems to only be problems with blood circulation or the heart. They have a large cage and get outside cage time almost everyday, some choose to stay in the cage no matter what.

Any tips on how to make her as comfortable as possible?

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 11-28-2016, 07:00 AM
aluz's Avatar
Exceptional Service Award Recipient
State:
 
Profile:aluz is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 21,788
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 19619
Rep Power: 57
aluz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I'm very sorry for what you have been going through recently with your flock.
From your description I'm leaning more towards stroke, that would explain the disorientation and the lack of general balance and mobility on the feet.
The stroke could have temporarily affected the eye area.
I have sadly experience with stroke-related episodes from one of my lovebirds and in his case the bad spells he had have also happened during the night.
It's been well over 1 year since the first stroke and my boy is going strong.
From the few bad spells I have learnt to detect the first symptoms and to act pre-emptively. My lovebird is on a special diet and I have the medication and vitamin supplements always in hand when treatment is needed.

I'm wishing your budgie all the best and I hope the vet visit goes well. In the meantime, you can keep warm. Having some soothing music on low volume to hopefully make her more relaxed and if she's still showing signs of disorientation, then you can cushion the cage's bottom with a small towel.
__________________


RIP sweet Tito (Summer 2008 - January 17th 2013).
You are missed and never will be forgotten.
  #3  
Old 11-28-2016, 07:31 AM
Sabine.L's Avatar
Sabine.L (Sabine)
Baby Budgie
 
Profile:Sabine.L is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 12
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Owner
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Finland
Posts: 372
Gallery: 7
Karma:
Points: 62
Rep Power: 8
Sabine.L will become famous soon enough
Default

Thank you for your reply. Yes, it does seem like a stroke to me as well, my tiel Aria had one and I chose then to put her to sleep. She didn't cope at all, had painful swollen feet and would only have slowly starved to death. In this case with Peep I want to wait because she is so young and seems healthy (other than being blind.) She found the food so quickly after going blind and moves around well. You really can't tell by looking at her that she might have had a stroke. I'm hoping she could regain atleast partial sight, but only time will tell. What diet is your lovebird on? I'm converting my budgies to pellets right now by feeding them pellet bird bread.
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 11-28-2016, 12:52 PM
Cody's Avatar
Super Moderator


State:
 
Profile:Cody is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 8
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Chicago suburbs
Posts: 2,716
Gallery: 1
Karma:
Points: 2554
Rep Power: 14
Cody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond reputeCody has a reputation beyond repute
Default

So sorry to hear of the issues with your birds, I know how emotionally exhausting and heartbreaking it is. I had a bird that became disoriented and acted as if he was having trouble seeing. He had an episode one morning of flying into walls and ceilings. As soon as I saw that I caught him and immediately took him to the vet. It turned out to be a pituitary tumor that was
causing the problems. I hope that you get a better outcome with your bird.
__________________
  #5  
Old 11-28-2016, 01:27 PM
aluz's Avatar
Exceptional Service Award Recipient
State:
 
Profile:aluz is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 21,788
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 19619
Rep Power: 57
aluz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabine.L View Post
Thank you for your reply. Yes, it does seem like a stroke to me as well, my tiel Aria had one and I chose then to put her to sleep. She didn't cope at all, had painful swollen feet and would only have slowly starved to death. In this case with Peep I want to wait because she is so young and seems healthy (other than being blind.) She found the food so quickly after going blind and moves around well. You really can't tell by looking at her that she might have had a stroke. I'm hoping she could regain atleast partial sight, but only time will tell. What diet is your lovebird on? I'm converting my budgies to pellets right now by feeding them pellet bird bread.
It's possible for them to have a good recovery depending on how mild the stroke is. The problem is that after the first one, the chances for another stroke to happen are much higher, this where the medication will help.

My lovebird is on a varied diet of both dry and fresh foods.
The seed intake is strictly controlled. Due to the fact that he has always been more on the thin side and has a high metabolism, he has daily access to egg food, be it home made or store bought.
__________________


RIP sweet Tito (Summer 2008 - January 17th 2013).
You are missed and never will be forgotten.
  #6  
Old 11-28-2016, 03:02 PM
Sabine.L's Avatar
Sabine.L (Sabine)
Baby Budgie
 
Profile:Sabine.L is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 12
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Owner
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Finland
Posts: 372
Gallery: 7
Karma:
Points: 62
Rep Power: 8
Sabine.L will become famous soon enough
Default

The vet couldn't find anything physically wrong with Peep, she seemed to be in very good shape. She even had a full crop, so she does know where the food is. She could see even better when we were there, at least she was very hard to catch even though the travel cage was small. The vet thought that she probably always has had poor eye sight, but that the cause of this episode could be anything from epilepsy to a stroke or even an infection. He gave her a shot of antibiotics and vitamins just in case since I asked if he could. She does have very good hearing and reacts to even the slightest air movement so it might be true that her eye sight has always been poor, I just never noticed.
  #7  
Old 11-28-2016, 04:03 PM
aluz's Avatar
Exceptional Service Award Recipient
State:
 
Profile:aluz is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 21,788
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 19619
Rep Power: 57
aluz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I'm glad the vet visit went well and you have noticed an improvement on your budgie's overall condition.

I'm not surprised for the fact that your budgie may have had an issue with her eyesight all along. Back in the day, when I had and bred Ino budgies I have also had some cases where my albino or lutino budgies would show signs of having sensitivity to bright lights and in the process would crash land often.
They also appeared to have poorer eyesight when compared with their dark eyed normal siblings.

I agree that epilepsy also falls under the possible causes of your budgie's bad spell. There is also medication to keep it under control.

I'm wishing your Peep a steady and full recovery.
__________________


RIP sweet Tito (Summer 2008 - January 17th 2013).
You are missed and never will be forgotten.
  #8  
Old 11-28-2016, 06:51 PM
StarlingWings's Avatar
Super Moderator // MEMBER OF THE YEAR 2015


 
Profile:StarlingWings is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 1
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 17,742
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 12055
Rep Power: 39
StarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond reputeStarlingWings has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Sabine,

I'm so sorry for all the problems that your little ones have been going through lately!

Aluz has given excellent advice with helping little Peep recover from her episode. I hope that you will soon find some answers with regards to your flock and that your little one feels better soon

I will keep you and your little ones in my prayers
__________________

~StarlingWings~
and Princess Mallorn!
Thank you to Deb for her wonderful Faery magic
  #9  
Old 11-29-2016, 04:17 AM
Sabine.L's Avatar
Sabine.L (Sabine)
Baby Budgie
 
Profile:Sabine.L is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 12
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Owner
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Finland
Posts: 372
Gallery: 7
Karma:
Points: 62
Rep Power: 8
Sabine.L will become famous soon enough
Default

Good news! Peep is almost back to her normal self. She is bickering with the others over food and finds perches, toys and food bowls just fine.

My cockatiel looks like she's eggspecting. She doesn't have a nest. Now I have another thing to worry about.
  #10  
Old 11-29-2016, 12:13 PM
aluz's Avatar
Exceptional Service Award Recipient
State:
 
Profile:aluz is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 21,788
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 19619
Rep Power: 57
aluz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond reputealuz has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Our little ones can surely be quite resilient and whatever Peep had, it must have been a very mild episode. It's great that she's showing so much improvement!

Best of luck with your cockatiel, I hope she passes the egg with no trouble at all.
__________________


RIP sweet Tito (Summer 2008 - January 17th 2013).
You are missed and never will be forgotten.
Closed Thread



Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:44 PM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2000- 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2006 - , 2403 Networks LLC. All rights reserved.