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Old 01-07-2017, 05:43 AM
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Hi all. I haven't actually posted at TB forums for awhile but I definitely need some insight.
I have a female, Yuri, who has been laying eggs since the summer. I've had her for almost 3 years exactly and she only started doing this in Summer 2016. The past couple days, she's been having issues with her egg laying, as she's been at the bottom of the cage in the corner basically waiting to push one out it seems. Yesterday I did give her a warm bath to help her pass it along since that is what I looked up as advice to do, and she did pass one but it was pretty soft shelled. After that though, she still went back to the bottom of the cage and did the corner thing again. She doesn't stay there the entire time, as she does go back and perches, but it's still concerning.

I ended up freaking out, and being in anxiety attack mode, went to the emergency vet, though I did schedule a "regular" vet visit for the next day (which is yesterday's tomorrow, today, but I am posting this at 5:36am EST). She gave her an x-ray and didn't seen an egg, but she did say her bones aren't in the best health, and she's basically using her own calcium to lay eggs. I do have a cuttlebone always present in her cage but it seems that hasn't been enough. I've also been working on converting them from a seed diet to eating Nutriberries and pellets, but they seem to only like the Nutriberries and seeds and I know that has to be contributing and the vet said so as well. So the vet gave more advice regarding the diet. I do blame myself for this as I got into budiges via my ex boyfriend, who had them for years, but he would give all his birds ONLY seed, and I guess because his one bird survived for 10 years on a seed diet he didn't think anything of it and didn't know any better. But I digress, just thought it was somewhat relevant since I was with him when I first got Yuri.

She gave her an injection of calcium and gave me antibiotics and an anti-inflammatory to give her via syringe for the next couple weeks or so.

The vet said she did feel "squishy" but she's not swollen and there is no egg. She is confused as to why she is still straining as well.

I was hoping someone might be able to give insight and maybe they have dealt with something similar. I tried Googling it but didn't find much besides what egg bound is, and how something can be stuck in there still.

And while I've always had people be kind to me here, I would really appreciate nothing too judgmental as I already know what has gone wrong and I've been trying to do what I can do fix it. Yuri is not with any males in her cage, just another female, but I am considering putting her in her own cage so she can deal with this more privately since I don't think Tira (my other female) is being any helpful since she's rather bossy.

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Old 01-07-2017, 07:54 AM
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I would definitely suggest you put the budgie in her own cage and ensure you have nothing in that cage that could be used as a nesting site.

I understand the emergency vet gave her a calcium injection.
I would suggest you talk to your Avian Vet today and discuss whether a calcium supplement should be given on an ongoing basis as well.
Calci-boost is a good choice.

Ensuring both birds get a varied and healthy diet is recommended.
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...ur-budgie.html
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...lay-roses.html
Calcium in the diet

I would also recommend you speak with the Avian Vet about whether hormone injections should be considered as it seems your budgie is becoming a chronic egg-layer.

Please let us know how the Avian Vet visit goes today.

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Old 01-07-2017, 08:13 AM
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I would definitely suggest you put the budgie in her own cage and ensure you have nothing in that cage that could be used as a nesting site.

I understand the emergency vet gave her a calcium injection.
I would suggest you talk to your Avian Vet today and discuss whether a calcium supplement should be given on an ongoing basis as well.
Calci-boost is a good choice.

Ensuring both birds get a varied and healthy diet is recommended.
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...ur-budgie.html
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-diet...lay-roses.html
Calcium in the diet

I would also recommend you speak with the Avian Vet about whether hormone injections should be considered as it seems your budgie is becoming a chronic egg-layer.

Please let us know how the Avian Vet visit goes today.

Best wishes
The vet did mention the hormone injections, the only issue being they would be every couple weeks costing around $50 each (she gave an estimate). I am still considering it though. So far Tira, the other female, has never laid an egg and I hope she doesn't start either. But all parakeets and my cockatiel will definitely be receiving even less seed. I was recommended to look into avi-cakes as well. They seem to really like Nutriberries, just no luck with pellets still. The vet did mention feeding them eggs, and as gross as it is, Yuri already eats her eggs when she lays them so I would hope that it won't be difficult to get her to eat eggshells.

I actually did read around the forums a bit and did see about Calci-boost and ordered some.


I did leave a message on my normal vet's answering machine about how I visited the emergency vet last night, so I assume they will call me back once they open and they'll give advice as well.
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Old 01-07-2017, 08:20 AM
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As soon as you know the Avian Vet's office is open, I would suggest you call them at that time rather than waiting to see if they return the call from when you left the message.

In general, you'll have much better results if you are the one being pro-active when it comes to these matters.

The Avian Vet may want to see your budgie as well.
Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.
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As soon as you know the Avian Vet's office is open, I would suggest you call them at that time rather than waiting to see if they return the call from when you left the message.

In general, you'll have much better results if you are the one being pro-active when it comes to these matters.

The Avian Vet may want to see your budgie as well.
Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

The emergency vet I saw is also an Avian vet. So I'm not relying on someone who doesn't know anything. I am also aware I will need to further communicate with them, I was just stating that I did leave a message as soon as I got back home. The regular vet I go is also an Avian vet. I just said "regular" as in the vet I would have normally gone to in this situation. So both vets in question are qualified to treat birds. I don't go to a vet that wouldn't know anything. :/ I don't like the assumption that I wouldn't know that an Avian vet is different than one that treats other animals. I am obviously not an expert on birds, but I do know that difference. I did ask for no judgement. Makes me hesitant to come back to this forum.
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Old 01-07-2017, 11:28 AM
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I'm very sorry you feel defensive over your personal knowledge.
Members can only respond to exactly what you wrote -- being completely explicit in what you state helps to alleviate miscommunication and misunderstandings.

Additionally, when staff post on any member's thread, the posts made are directed not only to that individual but to the forum as a whole. Many members and guests read the threads and posts.

We try to ensure that best practices are encouraged on this forum at all times.

Perhaps it would be helpful for you to re-read our Site Guidelines.

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Please don't be put off, we really do just want to help figure out everything and get the best results for your dear Yuri!
You said her egg laying is very recent; have there been any big changes in how you or someone else might be playing with her?
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Bri, you have received great advice on taking care of Yuri and I don't believe any post was meant to be judgemental against you.
Sometimes when we are concerned about people judging us, we can look for it when it isn't present. I think if you read through FaeryBees post at a less stressful time you will see it isn't judgemental. She is trying to help you and as she stated making things clear for everyone is our priority.

For Yuri's sake, I hope you find a way to help her with her issue and for what it's worth, I think you've taken great steps before seeking help here in getting it.
All the best.
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Hi Bri,

I'm sorry to hear about your female, I hope she will pull through.

You've been given excellent advice, which I can assure you is offered with the greatest sincerity. We would all like to support your during this time, and do so by mentioning things that may help you or others with the same problem find the best solution to help your little girl

Let us know how she's doing soon!
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