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Old 02-21-2017, 04:36 PM
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I got my budgie at the beginning of January, and I have noticed that his cere is looking a bit dry and flakey. I got him from a breeder and she said he was hatched last summer. I am worried this might be mites/scalyface, but there is no veterinarian close by that treat birds, so I was hoping someone could tell me more and say if it could be mites.

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Welcome to the forums!
Your Bob is gorgeous! From looking at the photos, it seems that there could be some mites, especially on the area where the cere meets the beak.

While it would be better to have your budgie examined by an avian vet specialist or exotics vet, you can get an Ivermectin based spot-on product where you will apply a drop on the back of the neck and directly into the skin.
After each treatment, it's best to thoroughly wash and disinfect the whole cage and accessories (including perches, toys, food/water containers, etc).
The same procedure goes for the play areas where your budgie has out of cage in. This is done in order to prevent a re-infestation of the mites.

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Hi there and to the forums!

Your Bob is a very handsome boy Aluz has given great advice If you absolutely aren't able to take him to an avian vet for a diagnosis, you can purchase the mite treatment and treat him with it. If he doesn't have mites, it won't hurt him.

However, I agree that from the photos posted, it does seem like the beginning of mites. If you have close up photos of the upper beak/cere area, that would be great!

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What a beautiful boy you got there : )

Although i am not sure if he has mites or not ( check out his feet too ) .. I would never reccommend any treatment without being sure ..

Ivermectin is poison ( it goes through skin into birds blood , mites feed from blood , they get poisoned and killed ... after 7 days the mites eggs are born so you have to reuse it , 3 times in a month is usually enough thats its instructions )

But must be used just in case you have to !!!!!! ( lost 2 birds like this or more , 2 1/5 drops by mistake and might be vital ) .. if the drop dont go right in the skin and the bird scratch his back and eat it again vital ..

Moreover some organisms are more sensitive - allergic too in that poison in smaller doses than others ( check this out even in dogs they use it , horses or other pets ) .. Be sure before you use it that he has mites ....

Wishes the best of him : )

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Ivermectin for birds is diluted enough that birds can be treated for mites without having mites and be just fine If multiple birds shared a space and only one had mites, all would have to be treated as a precaution, regardless of whether or not they had contracted the mites yet.

The problems with poisoning would only happen in the case of an overdose, which is problematic with all medications, not just Ivermectin
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Thank you all for the advice
I would go to a vet if I could, but the closest is 1 and a half hour away and they dont have an avian vet specialist, and even if they did I can't drive and my dad hates driving to the vet(he took 4 years to take the family cat to the vet).
I tried to get some more photos of him, but I didn't want to scare him too much, as he is still not 100% comfortable around me.
I looked closer on some of the pictures his breeder has on her facebook page, and it does look like several of the birds she has might have mites.
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It would be best to have two people work with little Bob to administer the ivermection treatment for the mites.
One to gently hold Bob in a soft cloth while the other person applies one drop of the medication between the feathers on the back of the neck.

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The cage, toys, perches, food and water dishes and everything Bob comes in contact with should be cleaned and disinfected after the treatment.

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Ivermectin for birds is diluted enough that birds can be treated for mites without having mites and be just fine If multiple birds shared a space and only one had mites, all would have to be treated as a precaution, regardless of whether or not they had contracted the mites yet.

The problems with poisoning would only happen in the case of an overdose, which is problematic with all medications, not just Ivermectin
The right precaution is just not to face at all such problems ....
When i mentioned the same thing to mine orni vet specialist her answer was : " You cant take an aspirine just in case you get a headache .... and for the other .. Giving the bird medicines , or treatment for precaution is like you having antibiotics in case you get a cold too since the guy next to you got a cold and you live in the same house. Its case must be examined seperately .... "

Carmio do exactly what FaeryBee said , hold it and make space to see clearly the skin in the back of the neck .. you can see videos on youtube with pulmosan placed on canaries , finches or budgies if you want ..

After placing the drop plz check out his behaviour the next few hours , sometimes mites go crazy from the poison making the bird act like crazy and it may scratch this region so hard that it will make wounds and cause the forehead just above cere to bleed .... budgies can only lose 8-10 drops of blood before faint ....

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The right precaution is just not to face at all such problems ....
When i mentioned the same thing to mine orni vet specialist her answer was : " You cant take an aspirine just in case you get a headache .... and for the other .. Giving the bird medicines , or treatment for precaution is like you having antibiotics in case you get a cold too since the guy next to you got a cold and you live in the same house. Its case must be examined seperately.
For some conditions I would agree with this statement but I don't in this situation. All drugs can have side effects and treatment is a judgement based on a balance of all the risks. Scaly face mites are very easily passed from bird to bird and individual birds can remain asymptomatic for a long period: Treating only the obviously infected bird can result in repeated reinfection (and hence repeated treatments) with the infestation never being irradicated.



'The big problem with Scaley Face is not how to treat an individual bird. The concern is how to stop the problem from affecting other 'in contact' birds. Scaley Face is quite contagious and if left untreated, other birds will succumb to the disease.' Scaley Face and Scaley Leg Mite Infestations in Av

To put your mind at rest regarding the drugs toxicity, you might find this research article interesting:
'Budgerigars were treated with the 5X and 10X of the standard dose to demonstrate the safety margin of the proposed dose and mode of application. None of the treated birds had any physical or behavioural reaction to the drug at the 10X of standard dose.' https://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...dgerigars-.pdf
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Last answer of me in here ..

I wont make any diologue over here its not the suitable theme post .
Here we have to express our opinion of the situation little Bob faces ..
Inform his owner and let him decide ..
I m sure carmio will take good care of him and wishes the best


** start off topic **

If you interested on all these you can go into budgie talk -> articles -> diseases and illnesses and budgie health every single opinion i made in previous posts is simiral and stated in FaeryBee ' s excellent organization ot articles made from Avian specialized Vets ( which include megabacteria AGY i posted in another theme , here and somewhere else i answered for mites and toxicity in ivermectine + all these precaution thing .. )

Finally If you want to test a substance you dont take 10 budgies supply them some and watch if anyone die on 5X or 10X .. Thats some crazy scientists in years before Christ ..
You have to go to the chemistry of the state , take each signle factor it may affect and measure it , ex . you see what brain is made of you see if it may affect any of all these you measure it write it down ... the same with neurological system , digestive systeme , kidney liver etc etc and finally the whole organism .. then you can try it in budgies ..

FearyBee thank you ( back in 2013 ) ..

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There is an article there maybe its the same but the summary is the case i was based on ..
If it is we maybe translated differently or see what we want see .. I dont know ..

( Why this part of mine answer wasnt in my previous answer ? )

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