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Old 06-13-2017, 05:03 AM
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Norman is on antibiotics again as he is not himself. The avian vet is certain he has liver disease, he could feel his liver when he examined him and his urates are still very green.He has Been tail bobbing slightly again hence the antibiotics but the vet did say it could be the liver pressing on his organs. Ive been advised what to do in regards to diet and milk thistle supplements , unfortunately there is no cure for him. The diet changes and supplements should help him, the baytril is 0.04ml twice per day. I'm struggling to find the 0.04ml on the syringe. Would that be one tiny drop, it doesn't seem enough to me, Last time I gave him the same amount and he was fine but then his breathing problem came back again. He eats and drinks and plays but he likes his quiet time away from the others. He is back at vets again next week to see how he is doing and to see if I would like more tests done to confirm the diagnosis. My vet is not pushing me to get the tests as he is almost positive just by feeling him and his poops that it is liver disease, he has left the decision entirely up to me,do you think it is worth getting the tests done just to confirm something I can't fix.I have no problem spending the money on him , it's just so stressful for him. Even after I give him his antibiotics it takes him half an hour to stop shaking, this is new to me and quite devastating Considering Norman saved my Vernon from bullying and changed Vernon into a confident happy bud. It will be devastating to lose him. Any advice on liver disease if anybody knows anything about it any Supplements I can give that may help anything at all. Thanks in advance.😰 here us picture of his poop.

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Old 06-13-2017, 05:12 AM
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Norman's poop is more green than yellow

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My girl was just yesterday diagnosed with liver issues too. I had a blood test done but she was very traumatised afterwards so I personally wouldn't recommend them if your vet is confident in his diagnosis, however I'm not a vet so always take his advice first!

My vet also said that really milk thistle is the best bet, if used early enough it can somewhat restore normal liver function. Aside from that, try to encourage more fruit and veggie eating since fatty seeds can put more strain on a healing liver- but don't remove seeds completely.
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Emma,

The dosage of Baytril should be extremely small. I was giving Shelby only .02 on the syringe when he was taking antibiotics. Make sure you do not overdose Norman with the medicine.
Why is he being given Baytril? It is a broad spectrum antibiotic and only works for bacterial infections. Does he have something in addition to the liver disease? If not, I would not recommend giving it to him.

Milk thistle and dandelion root are the best supplements for his liver problems.
You can also add knotgrass to his diet. It is a natural herb and one you cannot overdose on.
The link below discusses knotgrass:
https://talkbudgies.com/articles-holi...lp-tumors.html

I personally would not recommend having the blood tests done to "confirm the diagnosis".

Simply ensure you give Norman the best possible diet, quality supplements and lots of love.
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The vet was concerned about Norman's breathing and he gave me the baytril just incase it was an infection but he also said it could be caused by the liver pushing on his organs, if I am honest since i have been giving it to him he is worse. He is just sleeping all the time and I really can't see any improvement. It has only been 2 days though but it really stresses him out.I am trying to Convert all my buds to pellets with only 2 being cooperative (Norman being one of them) Thank you for the info, I have the milk thistle already. I will get the dandelion root and look into the knot grass. Thank you. I would prefer not to give Norman the baytril as I worry that like most meds it could put more strain on his liver, if I can't see any improvement by now will it be ok to just stop. Thank you

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I'm not an Avian Vet and I can not give you a professional opinion.

Given the information you've provided, I would simply say that if Norman were my budgie I would not be subjecting him to taking the Baytril at this point in time.
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Thank you and I understand and I totally agree with you thank you xx

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You're welcome.

Please keep us updated in this thread with regard to Norman's condition.

Prayers are being sent for your little fellow.
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My girl was just yesterday diagnosed with liver issues too. I had a blood test done but she was very traumatised afterwards so I personally wouldn't recommend them if your vet is confident in his diagnosis, however I'm not a vet so always take his advice first!

My vet also said that really milk thistle is the best bet, if used early enough it can somewhat restore normal liver function. Aside from that, try to encourage more fruit and veggie eating since fatty seeds can put more strain on a healing liver- but don't remove seeds completely.
Thank you , you have helped me make my mind up. I am just going to do what I can for him myself. Xx

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Can you please tell me where I can get knotgrass from. Is it wild and I pick it myself or do I buy it. I have never heard of it before but I would love to try it.

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