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Old 06-02-2018, 08:29 PM
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I have been having some budgie drama this week.

My 6yr old budgie Kiwi showed signs of illness last weekend. The symptoms were: sleeping a lot, sleeping on bottom of cage, loss of appetite, weight loss, weakness, slight brown from discharge around top of nostrils. Apparently it didn't click with me that her weight loss and her slowing down were signs that things were turning bad, I thought it was her aging. So everything came to a breaking point Monday when she was barely eating.

I took her to an emergency appointment Tuesday night. And I didn't really get any clear answers. Here's what happened and what was said:

1) The Dr said Kiwi is a HE, when I always believed Kiwi is a SHE. She has a light blue cere with white around the nostrils, which as far as all I have read that can be a color cere for a female?? She has gotten a brown crust breeding cere off and on over the years...anyways besides that point (I'm questioning this exotic animal DR...)

2) They put Kiwi on oxygen because her tail, they claimed, was bobbing. It was moving slightly, (not crazy, she has not been panting or wheezing). She was on oxygen for about 30mins-1hr. They said she responded well to the oxygen, it perked her up. When they took her out of the oxygen they said there were nerve reactions and her tongue would turn back to purple. The Dr claimed that she was having respiratory issues.

3) The Dr felt no lumps = no noticeable signs of tumors.

4) Kiwi is emaciated. She is a dangerously skinny bird hiding this under a ton of fluff. (note: her feathers from the past 2 molts have not come in well)

5) The vet offered to keep her overnight and a few days to be oxygenated, and blood tests etc. to figure out what was wrong. This would cost $1000k+. The Dr didn't recommend to do it anyways because it would be very difficult to do the testing (like drawing blood) and she believed that Kiwi was beyond the point of help. I said no to this. Now I will not know what exactly is wrong.

6) I was offered to put Kiwi to sleep. (I want to throw out some prices here, because I want to cross check with people, vets are expensive, but I wonder if this particular place and/or the area I live in is crazy - about $72 to euthanize, $120 for communal cremation or $195 for private cremation). I said no, and took Kiwi home to take care of her, preparing myself for her to die.

So...in the past few days she has perked up a bit and has started eating more. She is still weak, but sitting more on her perch. She does fly and climb on her cage but her out of cage time is short. She wants to go back in her cage after being out for just a little bit.

I have been enticing her to eat with millet, which I feel guilty about. She is on a seed base diet. The pellet food was a no go for both my budgies, they fought with me and won't eat it. I offer them vitamin enriched seeds, dried leafy greens, and they eat broccoli and spinach. I worry that a vitamin deficiency is a contributing factor to Kiwi's illness. My other budgie Berry is healthy and has beautiful feathers. I bought kale yesterday...and they won't eat it yet

Since Kiwi is still with me and going I broke down out of guilt, trying to give Kiwi one more fighting chance and called the vet to get some antibiotics they offered. It is a liquid for 14 days. There is no way I am going to be able to give it to her with a syringe. Kiwi will fight me, I don't want to hurt her. I can't put foreign objects near her without a freakout. I tried putting it on a tiny lettuce leaf to feed to her, then on my finger. Really did not work. I thought about putting it on millet? Mixing it with water and finger feeding it? Can anyone advise what creative thing I can do??

She apparently has been doing a bit better and has a bit of fight in her. Or is this perkiness a mask she is wearing and she isn't getting better?

The vet wants to prescribe one more medication that needs to be specially made Monday...but at this point I already spent enough money and am at my limit. And I can't even successfully give the first medication.

What other foods can I give a seed junkie? I need to trick her to eat healthier and get those vitamins.

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Old 06-02-2018, 09:08 PM
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I know you don't want to, but you may have to grab and restrain Kiwi in order to give her the meds. Most medicine really shouldn't be mixed with water or anything else and should just go straight into the body. You can also ask the vet about advice in giving it to her. If you're worried about vitamins you can buy a supplement, but I have never done this and will defer to someone with more experience in that regard.
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At this point I'd claim that your vet isn't that experienced with budgies (sex identity) and trying to get a liquid med into an sick uncooperative birds mouth can be dangerous through aspiration. Keep her quiet and warm and offer any kind of seed she prefers including oat groats (steel cut oats) along with millet, hard boiled egg yolk through a strainer, anything she'll eat willingly. A new avian vet might help, but it's your decision, and when extreme expense is a consideration, I can understand. Budgies can be tough but also can be fragile with respiratory illnesses. Good luck.
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After doing some brainstorming, and after failing to give her a real successful dose yesterday and this morning, I decided to try and hold onto her by scooping and wrapping her in small wash cloth tonight and I was able to give her the drop of meds. (I'm sure she is going to learn quickly that cloth = bad). It's frightening to hold onto her feeling how skinny she is.

She was looking up Thursday-Friday, but today not so good, eating not too much. I pet her cheeks and kind of say good bye every time I leave the house or room and when I put her to bed because I don't know.

The vet I saw was an exotic and avian specialist. While my family's dog received successful treatment from the same network/facility at a different location (for anxiety/mental issues which has been really hard), I'm not going to be returning there.
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Wishing you all the best in safely medicating Kiwi.

I'm praying she will have a full recovery and be able to gain back the weight she's lost.
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Iím so sorry to hear of the issues and worry youíve been having with Kiwi .

By darkening or dimming the light in the room, it will make it easier to catch Kiwi. A slightly larger cloth (hand towel) might make it a little easier on both of you too.

Unfortunately, not all vets are the right ones for our beloved animals. Sending good vibes for weight gain and a complete recovery.
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An easy way to administer some medicines (depends on how plentiful the supply is) is to dip a cotton bud (not sure what they are called in the US) in the liquid and allow the bird to bite it.

A cock bird with a hormone imbalance will sometimes have a brown/white cere.

Try crop-feeding her with one of the products made for hand-rearing baby birds. Paswell is one of the brands available here. Failing that, a fine cereal such as that made for human babies. If she is sick and weak, giving hard seed makes the job of cracking and digesting seed difficult. White (french) millet is easier for her to hull and better still if you can soak it first.

Did your vet check droppings for worms? A budgerigar with an illness usually recovers quickly, or dies quickly. A bird infested with worms will starve slowly.

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Hi,
Do you have a small plastic aquarium? The kind with holes on top? Put Kiwi inside that aquarium. Get a heating pad, put it on low and put a towel on top of it. Put the aquarium on top of that towel. Put a towel over half the top of the aquarium. The heat will be very good for Kiwi. Having her on heat will help her save her energy. It takes a lot of energy for her to stay warm and heal. The warmth will really help her. I learned how to do this from a avian specialist. Everything I know is because of her. Put food and water in small bird seed lids. She does not need a stick. She can walk around on the bottom of the aquarium. You can put Pedialyte for her water right now. It has electrolytes in it and that will give her some energy. Change it twice a day. I have had sick birds in the past and I have saved many from doing this. I hope it helps you.
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Appears your bird has been improving as of late. Meds would help, but birds do not want you holding them to give to them. Sad fact is, yes, vets are pricey. I also have a dog, and their vets are also pricey. But if you find a vet you feel you can trust and appears to help your bird, keep him. Good lick with your bird recovering.
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I recently lost a budgie who was very underweight and never found out what the problem was. My other budgie is also underweight, but not as bad. I had to give her an antibiotic with a syringe. It was the tiniest drop and I was instructed to hold her and drop it in her mouth. I thought they were crazy because Plumpy was not tame, but it ended up being easier than pilling a cat. I used a cloth to hold her.

Randomly I found out that Plumpy highly prefers soaked seeds. With dry seeds she eats canary seeds and oats but nothing else. With soaked seed, she eats every type and hurries to her food bowl when I put down a fresh batch. I think the soaked seeds are easier to crack open which might be good for a sick or weak budgie. I made my own mix of canary seed, red millet, white millet, niger and soak several tablespoons a day for at least 12 hours on the counter, after that I keep in the fridge. Perhaps there is some store bought brand available that can be soaked? I give 2 teaspoons at a time twice a day. I sprinkle a bit of the Harrisons high potency mash and hope that she ingests at least some of it. I offer an all you can eat buffet of steel cut oats, which I have heard are good for weight gain. I chop nuts and sunflower seeds and sprinkle liberally on each food dish.

My vet recommended we cover the cage with a towel at night to help keep her warm, which preserves energy. We are mindful of the temperature, not to keep the A/C too cold or let a fan blow on her. Also I just got a wood corner shelf which she has taken to immediately and it requires a little less balance to stay perched. Hopefully that preserves some energy as well. https://www.drsfostersmith.com/produ...m?pcatid=22326
I am sure there are some similar items out there.

Hope your budgie is okay! Keep us updated.
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