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Tonight when I got home from work my budgie chocobo was really fluffed up and looked ill. I thought it was because the house was so cold so I spent half an hour warming him up with a fan heater but noticed that he wasn’t pooping. I transferred him to the carry cage and hurried him into the vet just before they closed because I lost another budgie only a month ago to similar symptoms. He had been pooping normally during the day but when he finally pooped after I got home it was completely urate and urine and he drank four times as much water than he usually would in a day in half an hour. Well the vet x-rayed him and thinks he has an impacted gizzard and suggested I feed him lots of seed and that I come in first thing tomorrow to get him examined by someone who specialises in small birds. Well I got home and he ate the seed I offered but then vomited it all up. Then I read online that I should offer water and not food so I offered him lots of water and he had a drink and stayed fluffed. Then I saw the advice about the guardian angel isotonic mix on this site that you give to birds so I mixed that up and offered it to him on millet which he ate and has kept down. He was really hungry for food too. Well he passed a lot of straight urine for a while but then started passing a tiny amount of poop then an actually well formed poop without urates and I got hopeful he might have passed whatever is impacting his gizzard. But then he passed more water and urate.

Well then he started scratching at his bum like crazy which turned out to be caused by a poop that was sticking to his feathers which he couldn’t remove. And now he’s got the blankets on with the heater on and he’s passed a semi normal poop (it’s a bit watery than usual but it has all three parts and it’s circular) but it took like 45 mins to come out after the last time when he passed.

First off I’m not sure but I wonder if he has parasites. He’s been scratching at his bum for a few weeks more than normal which has been worrying me but the vet we saw a few weeks ago said she didn’t think he’d have them. Can budgies get impaction from parasites? There’s nothing in his cage that I can see which would cause impaction either though he has been known to chew on wood occasionally. His rope perch is not frayed. Could it be the wood? Since we have to wait until tomorrow morning is there anything else I can do for him? Is the fact that he’s passing more normal poops because he’s passed whatever was causing the blockage? I have no experience with tube feeding so I can’t do that but is there much else I can try to get him through the night?

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Update: Chocobo is doing better today. He’s not fluffed up anymore and has been pooping pretty well. They’re now a bit big and grey and watery but they have all three parts and he’s doing them consistently. He hasn’t had much to drink yet but I’ve been offering him seed wetted with homemade guardian angel so I’m guessing he’s getting a bit of his hydration from that. He’s calling but I’m sure something is still wrong since his vocalisations are still worrying and suggest he is still uncomfortable. He still runs at his vent with his feet every now and then like he’s uncomfortable. Only an hour and a half until we see the vet.
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Have you taken Chocobo to the Avian Vet for a proper diagnosis and treatment plan?

The members of forums are not trained in Avian Medicine and you should not rely on advice you receive through a forum or other social media when it comes to medical issues your bird is facing.
Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.

When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

If there are no Avian Vets near you, then I recommend you contact an Exotic Pet Veterinarian who is experienced in dealing with small birds.

Please take Chocobo in for an appointment immediately and let us know how he is doing after his appointment.

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Hi. I took him to an appointment last night with my usual avian vet but there were no vets there that specialised in budgie care, since it was late. Which is why we were told to care for him until the appointment first thing in the morning. I’m waiting for the clinic to open as I type this. I’m not delaying his care, I’m doing everything I can to get him the specialist help he needs.
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I'm glad to hear that you'll be seeing the vet today.

Sending prayers and healing energy for your little one.

Please let us know how he is doing after his appointment.
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Despite the vet last night telling us she thought he had an impacted gizzard the vet this morning thinks there’s nothing wrong with him. They’re monitoring him now and will provide probiotics for him to take to improve his digestion and have suggested giving him grit. They’ll also send away a sample of his poop to do an egg count
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I'm glad to hear it does not sound as if there is anything serious wrong with Chocobo.

What do you mean they are sending a sample of his poop away to do an "egg count"?
Do you mean it is being tested for parasites or are they doing a gram stain?

I don't understand why they would recommend giving your bird, grit. Grit can cause a crop impaction and budgies don't need it.

https://www.cutelittlebirdiesaviary....ur-budgie.html

A cuttlebone, mineral block and manu clay rose are much better choices than providing "grit".

https://www.talkbudgies.com/articles...lay-roses.html

Avi-bios is a good probiotic.

Additionally, Apple Cider Vinegar can be used as a natural probiotic

https://www.talkbudgies.com/articles...r-vinegar.html
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Chocobo is doing much better. He’s actually more active and curious than he’s been since his cage mate died a month ago. He’s even playing with some toy balls I got him a few days ago. So a really good outcome in what was a very scary situation.

They’re going to test for parasites by looking for eggs in his faeces.

I’ve been given a probiotic to help his digestion. I don’t understand the grit suggestion either and told the vet that I had heard otherwise. She said that it was a debated topic but that budgies will seek out minerals from all sorts of places, like sand paper some people line their perches with or concrete from concrete perches. She told me that in every bird she’s done a post mortom on they’ve had some sort of grit in their crop and will take in grity particles from anywhere so they can to aid their digestion. She also said that the danger with grit is that budgies can gorge themselves on grit, causing an impaction and that if offered in small amounts there is no danger. But I’ve always heard that giving grit can cause them serious damage so I’ve never offered it before. Oddly the bird society which breeds budgies in my town also recommends grit. I’m so confused.
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Sandpaper perches and liners are never recommended for cages so please do NOT ever consider using those.

Yes, budgies seek out minerals.

Budgies and parrots hull their seeds before swallowing them which means they do not need grit to digest the seeds.

Grit is necessary for birds such as canaries, finches and other passerine birds.

Parrots (including budgies) have a smaller opening from their stomach to the intestine.
Grit can become trapped causing blockages.

The necessary calcium, and minerals budgies and parrots require are available through the cuttlebone, mineral block and manu clay roses suggested in my earlier post.
Using the cuttlebone, mineral block and manu clay roses is a MUCH safer option than using commercially prepared packaged "grit" which is not recommended for hook-billed birds.

If you do decide to offer grit anyway, I strongly recommend you use ONLY a soluble grit such Oyster Shell grit and offer it in VERY limited amounts.

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Thank you for your advice. I did purchase the oyster shell grit but will hold off putting it in the cage. At the moment he’s very happy nibbling on his mineral block and cuttlebone so I’ll leave him with that at the moment.

Don’t worry I’m not going to put any sandpaper or concrete in his cage. When I initially adopted him he had a concrete ladder he liked to nibble on but I threw it out as soon as I got him home. He has a pumice perch (which he doesn’t chew), non-frayed rope perches and branches only.

He’s even better after a night of sleep in a warm room and began dancing and singing as soon as the blanket was taken off in the morning. A wonderful outcome after a few days of abject terror for his mum and dad!
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