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Unhappy Zinc sulfate for my budgie's feet?

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A few weeks ago, my budgie Kiwi started to have these weird white "blisters" in her feet and I noticed she was starting to stand in just one foot more and more. Since I'm rather new with budgies, I did some research and just found out about scaly feet and some remedies such as baby oil and paraffin. I wasn't quite sure though, so I ended up taking her to the vet.
He told me it was a foot infection and also told me to use Zinc sulfate for her feet, to mix a spoonful of it in a glass of water to soak her feet daily. I was slightly confused because I didn't find any information about zinc sulfate being used for budgies' infections. What I found, though, were a few posts that explained how zinc can be toxic for budgies in large amounts.
I was wondering if someone could help me sort out some of my doubts
Has someone used zinc sulfate for a budgie infection? Should I better try another remedy?

Here are some pictures. As you can see, it is barely starting on one foot. Thank you!



Little update! Here is also a picture of her beak, I don't see anything different on it, but I may be wrong.


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That is a new remedy also to me. Sounds as if you need more info about the strength to use before trying it on your birds foot. That is wise to be sure of. I do not know the answer, but would like to know it. If you do find out and it is ok to use please post it on this site, or if possible, e-mail me the answer . Thanks
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Was this an avian vet?

Iíve never heard of this treatment in birds, though I believe that zinc sulphate solution is used as a treatment for Ďfoot rotí in sheep and cattle.

It looks very much like scaly foot mites to me.
But Iím confused by the word Ďblistersí - Are they actually fluid filled blisters? Is the area wet or soft?
Or
Are they firm dry crusty growths that have ALWAYS BEEN DRY?
What Iím trying to work out is, could these yellowy crusty parts be drying out scabby areas, similar to a humanís healing cold sore (which would make me understand your vetís diagnosis of infection) or not?

In terms of scaly mites - Baby oil and Vaseline applications are quite old fashioned remedies; they are very messy treatments for scaly mites and can cause additional stress when the bird gets the substance on their feathers.
The modern day treatment for scaly mites is ivermectin. It is a liquid that is applied to the back of a birdís neck and repeated a couple of weeks later; it is usually very effective. It is available without a prescription but care needs to be taken to get the correct dosage for small birds (0.1%). All birds in the cage need treating whether or not they are showing symptoms and the cage (and any play gyms) need a thorough cleaning with vinegar, throwing away any difficult to clean items eg paper toys.

I really donít want to advise that you simply go against your vetís plan.
I were in your situation, then if the feet are dry and crusty and have always been dry, I would look up images and articles on scaly mites. Save some links on your phone, or write them down if no smart phone and then get back in contact with your vet to politely express your confusion and fear of a possible misdiagnosis.

Please do get back to us. Weíre not vets, we have a lot to learn and are eager to do so.
Best of luck.
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Julia has asked a lot of good questions.

From the picture posted the condition looks like scaly mites and I would definitely treat your budgie for those right away.

You need to use a "Spot-On" type treatment - do not buy sprays or mists to use on your bird.
Using baby oil or paraffin is not going to be as effective in eliminating the mites.
You can get "Scatt" on-line through Amazon. Scatt works like ivermectin in eradicating scaly mites.

Scatt Spot On Treatment for Birds

If the vet you saw is not an Avian Vet, please look for one in your area. If there are no certified avian vets, the next best option is an Exotic Pet Veterinarian with experience dealing with small birds.

I personally would not recommend putting zinc sulphate on your budgie's feet.
She will ingest the zinc cream as she preens which will cause more problems in the long run.

Common Avian Parasites

Lead and Zinc Toxicoses in Pet Birds
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I agree that this looks like mites, if it is and it's on the feet it may also be on the cere/beak area, do you have a picture of your birds face?
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Great answer by Julia (JRS). Can you show us a clear front pic of the face? This is most likely scaly face mites, which affect the face and feet; although it can present in only one of the areas.
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Was this an avian vet?

Iíve never heard of this treatment in birds, though I believe that zinc sulphate solution is used as a treatment for Ďfoot rotí in sheep and cattle.

It looks very much like scaly foot mites to me.
But Iím confused by the word Ďblistersí - Are they actually fluid filled blisters? Is the area wet or soft?
Or
Are they firm dry crusty growths that have ALWAYS BEEN DRY?
What Iím trying to work out is, could these yellowy crusty parts be drying out scabby areas, similar to a humanís healing cold sore (which would make me understand your vetís diagnosis of infection) or not?

In terms of scaly mites - Baby oil and Vaseline applications are quite old fashioned remedies; they are very messy treatments for scaly mites and can cause additional stress when the bird gets the substance on their feathers.
The modern day treatment for scaly mites is ivermectin. It is a liquid that is applied to the back of a birdís neck and repeated a couple of weeks later; it is usually very effective. It is available without a prescription but care needs to be taken to get the correct dosage for small birds (0.1%). All birds in the cage need treating whether or not they are showing symptoms and the cage (and any play gyms) need a thorough cleaning with vinegar, throwing away any difficult to clean items eg paper toys.

I really donít want to advise that you simply go against your vetís plan.
I were in your situation, then if the feet are dry and crusty and have always been dry, I would look up images and articles on scaly mites. Save some links on your phone, or write them down if no smart phone and then get back in contact with your vet to politely express your confusion and fear of a possible misdiagnosis.

Please do get back to us. Weíre not vets, we have a lot to learn and are eager to do so.
Best of luck.
Hello, thank you for the concern!

I had problems to find an avian vet and I made many calls until I finally found a vet that told me he knew about budgies and even showed me his very own budgie. But he also told me he hadn't seen that kind of infection in a long while, which I must admit left me even more worried.

About the blisters, I might have used the wrong word. They are absolutely firm and dry growths. The vet told me if he removed those, Kiwi would bleed.

I have started to research for the ivermectin, as I also think the zinc sulfate would cause my bird more stress, such as baby oil would do. Can I ask what do you mean by the 0.1% dosage? Thank you!

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Julia has asked a lot of good questions.

From the picture posted the condition looks like scaly mites and I would definitely treat your budgie for those right away.

You need to use a "Spot-On" type treatment - do not buy sprays or mists to use on your bird.
Using baby oil or paraffin is not going to be as effective in eliminating the mites.
You can get "Scatt" on-line through Amazon. Scatt works like ivermectin in eradicating scaly mites.

Scatt Spot On Treatment for Birds

If the vet you saw is not an Avian Vet, please look for one in your area. If there are no certified avian vets, the next best option is an Exotic Pet Veterinarian with experience dealing with small birds.

I personally would not recommend putting zinc sulphate on your budgie's feet.
She will ingest the zinc cream as she preens which will cause more problems in the long run.

Common Avian Parasites

Lead and Zinc Toxicoses in Pet Birds
Hello, thank you for the concern!!

I have started to research about the ivermectin and I will surely check the Scatt too. I had an issue to open the links, but I'm not sure if it's only me. However, I could find the links when I started the quote. Thank you!

I will also start a new search for another vet in the meantime.

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I agree that this looks like mites, if it is and it's on the feet it may also be on the cere/beak area, do you have a picture of your birds face?
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Great answer by Julia (JRS). Can you show us a clear front pic of the face? This is most likely scaly face mites, which affect the face and feet; although it can present in only one of the areas.
Hello, thank you for the concern!

I have added a picture of her beak to the initial post. I have been checking her, I don't see anything different in the cere, but I might be wrong. Hope the picture helps!

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The face picture does not show clear detail to really be able to tell, however it appears to me that there may be a slight lighter colored line where the bottom of the cere meets the beak, also the edges of the beak look a bit rough. This may be mites or perhaps just dryness or I am not seeing correctly. I would expect any vet that has a history of treating birds could recognize scaly face mites. There are many pictures on the web if you search for them, some show really horrible cases some mild, you may want to search for images and compare.
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Hi Joss

I agree with Cody - Not the clearest photo, but possibly something going on there too.

Ivermectin is an anti parasitic drug. It is used in different strengths to treat animals from horses, cats & dogs, right down to little finches.
The strength suitable to use as a topical application on small birds such as budgies is 0.1%. Iím not sure what is easily available in your country but you obviously donít want to put a horse strength medication on a budgie.

Iím assuming that youíre in Mexico by the flag. Iím sorry but my Spanish is hopeless and Iím struggling to find a product from a Mexican site. Your vet should be able to get you the treatment.
As Faerybee has said, do not bother with any of the sprays/powders/ointments claiming to be treatments for mites. A topical application of ivermectin solution or Scatt is what is needed for scaly mites. It is applied to the back of the birdís neck, to hinder them messing about with it.
Iíve linked below some suitable products to help show you what youíre looking for:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beaphar-Ant.../dp/B007W98R2A

https://www.vet-medic.com/pharmaq-lt...-1-10ml-p11163

https://vetafarm.com/product/scatt/
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Hello, thank you for the replies!

I decided to not use zinc sulfate, and instead, searched for ivermectin in my city. I had a hard time finding a proper avian vet in the city who could tell me where to find it, but today I finally found a budgie breeder that sold ivermectin, the right dosage!

I already applied a drop on the back of the head of my two birds Kiwi and Coco, although Coco's feet are clean as far as I can see. I'm not sure about the time of the next application, but I'm on my way to research it as well. I also washed their cage, items, and toys, with vinegar.

Thank you so much for the advices! Hopefully, Kiwi will get better soon
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