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Old 08-02-2018, 07:10 AM
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Hello all. My little budgie Cthulhu was sick a few weeks ago - he regurgitated seeds so I took him to the vet (exotic pet hospital - I took his little mate Davros to keep him company too) and he stayed in for a few days while they did testing and so on. They didn't find anything and we took him home with antibiotics and something to help him keep his food down. I am not sure he really had the right amount of antibiotics as he started to feel better and began escaping from the cage when we tried to catch him. In one case he missed a dose and in another he flew out and hit the wall trying to escape. When I caught him he shook his head and the medicine all flew back out again. I am sorry to say that I gave in at that point as he seemed better (when I rang to ask about how long to give the medicine for I was told 10 days or until he got better) and I was terrified that he would kill himself smashing into the wall. He had 7 days worth apart from the missed dose.

Anyway I am worried about him again. He has been regurgitating a few seeds on and off and looks thin. I am of course taking him back to the vet but does anyone has any advice for me to help him?

What could be causing it? The vet did several tests but did not find anything. Could it be environmental? It has been very humid here and my husband worries that it could be fungal. Would that not have been found in the tests? His mate Davros is still hale and hearty.

I am very sorry about failing to get the antibiotics into him properly and letting him fly out and hit the wall but I don't really know what to do. I don't know how to stop him escaping as I have to open the door to catch him. I don't know how to stop him spitting his dose out.

I want to do the best for him and am trying to do so, so all advice is gratefully received. Thank you.

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You might want to try covering the cage and yourself with a sheet when taking him out for the meds, that might deter him from flying away. It is possible that your bird has a fungal issue in the GI tract, I would ask the vet to look for Avian Gastric Yeast, are you seeing any whole seeds being passed in the droppings? The AGY organisms do not always show up in a fecal smear so could be missed. Antibiotics will not help with fungal issues, there are other meds for that, but sometimes there may be a secondary bacterial infection as well, in which case the antibiotics would help. What tests did the vet do, at the very least I would expect a gram stain of the droppings and a crop/throat swab as well. It is also possible that if your bird does have a bacterial infection that perhaps a different antibiotic is needed, some antibiotics target gram negative bacteria better than others and it is usually the gram negative ones in birds that are pathogenic. Are you sure that he is actually spitting out the dose of antibiotic as opposed to vomiting it out? If he is actually vomiting after the dose there is a med that can be given prior to the antibiotic to help with that. The vet could also do a culture of the droppings to determine that best antibiotic to use if it is bacterial.
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Perhaps antibiotics weren’t necessary in the first place, seeing that the vet was guessing at that point. As suggested above, if your vet hasn’t done a fecal test or one for AGY, that would be a good thing to test for next. Vomiting can be many things. We here on the forum can only take our best guess. Another thing that can cause vomiting is metal poisoning. I’ve had a larger bird with it, and a blood sample was needed to confirm. Not sure if budgies are big enough for the proper amount of blood needed. Do you have anything in the cage, or cage bars, or anything your budgie can chew on which has rust on it, or might be lead or zinc? Are you certain he is vomiting, and not simply regurgitating for you?

I wish you and Cthulhu all the best. Please keep us posted on the next vet visit.
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You might want to try covering the cage and yourself with a sheet when taking him out for the meds, that might deter him from flying away. It is possible that your bird has a fungal issue in the GI tract, I would ask the vet to look for Avian Gastric Yeast, are you seeing any whole seeds being passed in the droppings? The AGY organisms do not always show up in a fecal smear so could be missed. Antibiotics will not help with fungal issues, there are other meds for that, but sometimes there may be a secondary bacterial infection as well, in which case the antibiotics would help.

I am not seeing any seeds in the droppings. They look normal to me and his vent is clean. I will see if I can rig up something with a sheet next time, assuming he will be given more medicine to take!
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What tests did the vet do, at the very least I would expect a gram stain of the droppings and a crop/throat swab as well. It is also possible that if your bird does have a bacterial infection that perhaps a different antibiotic is needed, some antibiotics target gram negative bacteria better than others and it is usually the gram negative ones in birds that are pathogenic. Are you sure that he is actually spitting out the dose of antibiotic as opposed to vomiting it out? If he is actually vomiting after the dose there is a med that can be given prior to the antibiotic to help with that. The vet could also do a culture of the droppings to determine that best antibiotic to use if it is bacterial.
I am not sure exactly what tests they did but they definitely tested droppings and regurgitated food. I can't be sure that he was not actually regurgitating the medicine except that by this point, he was at least keeping his food down. Thank you for the suggestions. It gives me something to ask the vet about. I am sure they are doing everything but it helps me to understand his symptoms and treatment if I know what might be actually happening.

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Perhaps antibiotics werenít necessary in the first place, seeing that the vet was guessing at that point. As suggested above, if your vet hasnít done a fecal test or one for AGY, that would be a good thing to test for next. Vomiting can be many things. We here on the forum can only take our best guess. Another thing that can cause vomiting is metal poisoning. Iíve had a larger bird with it, and a blood sample was needed to confirm. Not sure if budgies are big enough for the proper amount of blood needed. Do you have anything in the cage, or cage bars, or anything your budgie can chew on which has rust on it, or might be lead or zinc? Are you certain he is vomiting, and not simply regurgitating for you?

I wish you and Cthulhu all the best. Please keep us posted on the next vet visit.
Thank you, I realise you can't possibly diagnose him over the internet but the suggestions give me something to ask his vet in case I have missed something. Last time they sent me home with the medicines and no way to dose them but I didn't realise till 9 o'clock at night when the dose was due!

His cage is a bit rubbish (it seems very hard to get a large cage suitable for budgies) but the bars are coated and do not look rusty. One of their toys had a slightly rusty looking bell which I removed after I took them to the vet in June - they did mention metal poisoning so I checked at the time.

I am sure he is vomiting. I do sometimes see them spit up a few seeds and it looks accidental as they love to feed each other. But this is different and yesterday he was dirty all down his front when I came home from work. He is also thin. He is a bit brighter today, he is clean and there is no sign of any regurgitated seeds in the cage. I will update when I get home from the vet. Unfortunately the appointment is not till Monday but the receptionist said I could ring and try to get an emergency appointment if he deteriorates in that time.
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Well since I made the vet appointment, Cthulhu has perked right up. He has not vomited again since, has been happily singing and flying about the last couple of days and does not seem overly sleepy. When he was ill before, Davros was really snuggling up to him and preening him and he was just sort of sitting there accepting it and not reciprocating. She is just acting normally now and Cthulhu has been preening her and flirting with her as normal for him. I feel I can trust her opinion, unless anyone thinks this is a bad idea?

So I have cancelled the appointment and will look up ways to fatten him up a bit. He has snubbed the boiled egg and the seeds I sprouted for him though! I have been adding ACV to their water every two days for the last few days instead of just once or twice a week like I do normally. Is this too much?

I am not sure I am cut out to keep budgies, they are such a worry!

So sweet though..
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