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Old 01-06-2019, 07:44 AM
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Hello all,

I’ve got a six month old budgie who is generally very active, and has recently been a bit sleepy. We’ve had guests round and all of our budgies are taking more naps (as well as their dog) as the sleeping schedule is somewhat disrupted at times.

Anyway, they’ve all been on a conversion to low protein pellets because one of ours has kidney issues. I’ve been monitoring their dropping daily and they’ve all been doing really well.

However, our youngest has recently become quite tired. His droppings have also changed. I’ve attached a before and after if his droppings. The before is quite wet because I have been making a cake mix of pellets and seed (which is quite wet). The vet is happy with that side of the droppings. The problem is with his new ones. Has anybody spotted this issue before? AFAIK none of other budgies have the same issue.

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Also forgot to mention: they’re also taking vitamin supplements so their urine is sometimes a bit yellowy
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The droppings look fine.
Why are you giving a vitamin supplement?
If a budgie is on a healthy diet, including pellets, then it should not need additional vitamins.

If the budgie seems lethargic, is puffed up and in general not acting as it does normally, then your best option is to have it seen by an Avian Vet for a proper diagnosis and treatment plan.
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It's been requested as part of the treatment for the budgie with kidney issues. I've been told that the low-protein pellets combined with the vitamin drops is fine for all of our birds.

They've been on it for about two months now. It's only in the past few days that he's been like this.

The pellet mix I have done is also quite wet, and he normally gulps it down (hence the wet ones in the first pic), but the size of his droppings and the 'type' have changed into the dry ones above.

I've already sent an email with the details to the vet (we are in regular contact) and said that I may be making an appointment tomorrow.

I've also attached a couple more pics of the droppings close up. I don't know if you can tell, but some of them are white. When I break them down, the fecal part is white all the way through as well which concerns me.
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Did the vet do tests to confirm that your budgie has kidney disease?

What brand pellets are you using? I’m comcerned about adding vitamin drops. As surprising as it might be, veterinarians (avian and otherwise), have little training in the area of nutrition. Separately added vitamins for birds are “old school” and were created back in the days when there weren’t healthy bird foods on the market, and people just fed seed. Today’s formulated bird foods have adequate vitamins where you don’t need to add any more. In the case of vitamins that aren’t water soluble, you might be giving too much, which in turn can cause additional problems.
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They did blood tests and xrays. His kidneys were badly enlarged and he had really high uric acid levels.

The food is Roudybush Careline - Formula AK (designed for renal issues).

I can always chat with the vet about the supplements.
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Is he on anything to reduce the uric acid levels? High uric acid levels can lead to gout, which can be very painful.
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Hello again,

His droppings from this morning are attached.

He has some white ones still. Seemed odd to me
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You may want to ask the vet about the pancreas, sometimes when a bird has an issue with the pancreas they will produce bulky white droppings, that may not be the case here but you may want to talk to the vet about the possibility.
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Well, I've had quite the day.

I took him and another budgie we have to the vets today. I included the latest droppings from overnight (all white). He took one look and confirmed that his pancreas wasn't functioning properly.

It gets more complicated though: the other budgie I mentioned has also been needing vet visits recently as he's been having somewhat of a peeing spree on occasion. I had taken a urine sample and was trying to get test results to confirm glucose levels (amongst other things).

Of course, if he has diabetes that means that his pancreas is having problems too. Our vet is worried that they have both picked up something nasty. As such, they are both now quarantined away from our other birds. He warned me that with the white droppings, it may mean that the pancreas is on the way to being destroyed.

I'm not having a good time being a bird owner
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Maybe some digestive enzymes would help, did the vet discuss that at all?
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