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Hello all and greetings from Calgary, Canada

Need some advice regarding our poor poor budgie, lemonade.

The poor little girl seems to have been hit by a double wammy and I'm not really sure how best to proceed.

Oh the clarity of hindsight.....

Couple weeks back we noticed she was getting a bit lethargic and a bit moody. She was starting to molt and this was normal behavior during a molt based on what she's been like in the past.

However, on Thursday of last week we heard her having some trouble getting around her cage. We turned around (watching TV at the time) and saw she was standing on one foot. Again, perfectly normal. However, we noticed she was putting no weight on that foot. She couldn't turn around and not climbing around her cage. No idea what happened to her. 5 mins before she was sitting on the arm rest of our couch beside me.

We observed overnight and next day, same thing. No weight on that foot. We found an Avian vet and took her in. He felt the leg up and down and couldn't find any obvious signs of a break but did advise us she was really underweight! That surprised us as she has a pretty good appetite. We also brought in a piece of paper towel that we put under her window perch as we noticed it had turned a bit green and runny.

So on top of a hurt foot, he told us she is likely having some form of liver issue. We started to think back and realized she had green poops for probably a few weeks but we assumed that was because she was finally eating some vegetables.

Vet prescribed antibiotics and milk thistle to be administered via syringe. Never once have we grabbed her by hand so doing that and trying to get this syringe into her mouth is just a terrible experience. She hates it and is mad at us after. Bit of me dies each time we do it. You spend so much time building trust only to shatter it within a few days of trying to get her better.

So fast forward to today and her foot is no better. Not one bit. Her pooping is getting worse I think but she does seem a bit more energetic. She even chirped at us when we got up this morning which almost brought a tear to my eye.

So I realize that no no one here can tell me how this is going to turn out but rather, need a sounding board. To make things even worse, we are getting a new roof next week that is going to be loud and next weekend, we leave for a 1 week trip. All of this timing could not be worse. We normally bring her back to her Aunt for trips which she seems to have no issue with but don't want to saddle her with this situation.

I think I know what needs to be done, I'm just wondering if you think that maybe that's throwing in the towel a bit early? Has anyone had a situation like this where the bird made a full recovery?

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Hi, sorry your bird is ill. I would not throw in the towel just yet. How old is your bird, did the vet do a gram stain on the droppings? You need to keep her surroundings as stress free as possible. There are multiple reasons for liver issues but when the liver function is compromised it effects the entire immune system and it can result in more infections, hence the antibiotic, the milk thistle will help the liver. Did the vet say whether or not the liver is enlarged was there any blood work or x-rays done? If there is no injury to the foot/leg it is possible that there is internal pressure on the nerve to the leg, that can result in lameness. I have a bird that has had a liver problem for over a year and recently has developed a heart issue as well. He has done pretty well over the last year, has had a few GI tract infections that were treated and resolved, his droppings are no longer discolored and he seems to feel pretty well. He is very closely monitored and is on 4 medications. Every case is different but I would not give up just yet.
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Interesting......

Not a clue how old she is. My g/f's aunts dog found her in their back yard maybe 4 yrs ago? They had her for almost 2 yrs before asking us if we'd like to have her which we did.

No, the vet didn't do anything past the physical exam. He seemed a bit spacey TBH. I d recall him saying he didn't feel the liver was enlarged.

Ya, the roofing project is going to suck. It was supposed to be done this week but delayed due to rain. My g/f is working from home all week so would have been perfect and naturally, next week she needs to be at the office most of the week.

I also wonder if there is maybe another way we can get the milk thistle into her? I hate grabbing her and trying to get that big syringe into her mouth often does not go well.
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I'm very sorry to hear your little girl is ill.
I agree with Cody and wouldn't throw in the towel at this point.

What kind of foods does your budgie eat?
You can sprinkle milk thistle and dandelion root powders onto her food and/or mix it into wet mash if she eats that.
Doing so won't be a potent as giving it to her by syringe, but will be a stop-gap measure for the time you are away for a week IF she is off the antibiotics by then.
Of course, the antibiotics need to be administered as directed by the vet until she's had the full course.

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Currently she eats regular bird store seed with occasional egg, spinach and celery. It wasn't until the trip to the Vet last week that I found out about pellets. The things we will do differently next time....

The other concern I have with the syringe method is we have no idea what's wrong with her leg and grabbing her like that, you can feel her moving her feet trying to get out and am concerned with doing more damage.

Ok, we will keep up with what we are doing. We have to at least try. Just so hard to do and sad seeing her sit in her cage pouting afterwards. If she survives, I know we can get her trust back but if she doesn't, hard to stomach the idea of her last couple weeks of life were being scared and angry with us.
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When I medicate I do it early in the morning before it is too light outside so I can get the bird out of the cage while it is still pretty dark, it is easier to remove the bird from the cage when it is still pretty dark, I usually have just a night light on. I quietly open the cage and reach in and cup my hands around the bird and remove it from the cage. Then I usually sit down and allow the bird to sit on my thigh with one hand over the bird just enough to restrain it, then I am able to get the medicine into the mouth easier than if I am holding the bird up. I then put the bird back in the cage without turning up the lights, it seems to be more calming that way. I would have the vet do a gram stain test on her droppings, that will tell how much bacteria, if any, is there and also if there is anything else such as a fungal infection, if this is not done you cannot be sure of what you need to treat. You should be able to take a fresh dropping in and have the test run, since the vet has recently examined her.
Do you have an area in the house, maybe a lower level that you could move your bird to during the roofing, so the noise she hears is less?
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Thanks for that, Cody. Will certainly try that.

I think I will certainly try the test you mentioned. If there is no infection, no point in the antibiotics and 2 less times I need to try to get a syringe into her mouth.

We do have another level down but it's the basement. Had considered moving her down there for the week but she's never been down there before and wondered about even more stress but that may be the lesser of two evils.
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Hi there and to the forums!

You've been given great advice about Lemonade and I hope she's feeling better now.

Please keep us posted on how she's doing!

Meanwhile, please be sure to read through the links provided above by FaeryBee, as they will be helpful in staying updated on the best of budgie care practices. If you have any questions after reading through anything, please be sure to ask as we'd love to help.

We hope to meet Lemonade soon!

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Figured I should come back with a follow up.

Sadly, it did not end well. We had to put her down last night. Our follow up appointment with the first vet was coming up but we found an Avian Vet nearer our place last weekend and made an appointment. This gal was fantastic. Very smart/compassionate. She looked her over carefully and laid out the options. She felt a mass near her abdomen and suggested the smartest course of action would be an x-ray. Foolishly hoped it was just an egg (turns out she was female, we were never 100% sure) but it wasn't. Very likely a tumor. It was pushing all of her organ out of position and pinching a nerve which was paralyzing her leg. It was obvious at that point that she had to be uncomfortable and likely had been for weeks. There was really only one thing left to do.

She passed away peacefully in our hands. Hardest thing I've done in recent memory. Very sad going home and packing up her things.

If there is any positive to come of this, we learned a ton in the past 2 weeks and have a clear plan on how to do things better going forward.

RIP Lemonade.....you were a very cool bird that brought a ton of laughs into our life. I hope we did right by you.
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So sorry for your loss, under the circumstances I think you did the right thing. Fly high sweet Lemonade
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