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Old 08-01-2019, 11:08 AM
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Default I'm worried about my budgie, Cosmo.

I've had my Cosmo for almost four weeks now and she is still young ( hasn't had her first mault yet).
The last couple of days shes been quieter, always fluffed up and tail bobbing. As a new bird owner I didn't realise that these could be symptoms of a sick bird and I only realised once her voice changed from a chirp to a squeek.

I took her to the avian vet yesterday.
When we got there all of a sudden her voice was fine and she wasnt puffed up.
He did a standard consultation. He didn't do any offical tests such as feacal, he just weighed her, looked at her wings and felt her body.
The vet sent me away staying that he thinks she is fine and further tests are not nessecary. I was really worried so he said he can give me antibiotics to give her incase she really is sick and showed me how to give it to her which she vomited it up straight away.
As soon as I got home and she settled back into her cage her symptoms all came back.

Today she has what looks like blood on her cere and I'm really worried. I cant tell if its from her nostril or a scratch but Im pretty worried.
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Also about four hours ago I gave her her antibiotics for the day (I think she swallowed it) and put her in a little home made hospital cage with a heat pack so she can stay warm (theres enough room for her if its too hot for her). Since then I've been checking on her regularly and shes seem to significantly deteriorate since then. Shes become less responsive and all her feathers around one of her eyes are all fluffed and around her mouth.

Could the antibiotics have made her worse?

Im going to take her to the vet ASAP but in the meantime Does anyone have advice?
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Does she share a cage with your other bird, is there a chance that the other bird could have caused injury to her cere area causing it to bleed? How old is Cosmo and what are you feeding her? Sometimes medication can cause an adverse reaction but I don't think that is the issue here as you noticed something was wrong before it was given. At the very least I would ask the vet to do a gram stain on the droppings and maybe on a crop swab as well to see if there is anything there that should not be such as bacteria or a fungal infection. A noticeable tail bob and a puffed up bird is a sign that all is not well and the sooner treatment is begun the better. Ask the vet to check the sinuses, if there is swelling around the eye it could be due to a sinus infection. Birds are excellent at hiding illness and it is not uncommon for them to look ill at home and ok at the vets office but an avian vet should know that.
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I'm concerned that your Avian Vet gave you antibiotics without doing the proper tests to make a accurate diagnosis.
When a bird is ill, it can be due to a virus, fungal or bacterial infection.
Antibiotics work ONLY for bacterial infections and can do more harm than good when given if they are not needed.

I agree with Cody that your budgie looks as if she may have been pecked by another bird.

Is there a different Avian Vet in your area you can see or do you feel comfortable enough to confront the vet you saw previously with your specific concerns?
Personally, I'd be asking that individual the hard questions such as why the tests weren't performed and why antibiotics were given when s/he doesn't know if the budgie has a bacterial infection.

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Please keep us posted when you’re back from the second vet. I hope they will take necessary steps to diagnose first, instead of guessing and giving the incorrect meds. Wishing all the best for you and Cosmo.
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Are you sure this was an actual avian vet, and not just a vet that treats birds? I cannot believe an avian vet would just send you home with antibiotics because you were worried. I've found and was even told by my avian vet that when in a stressful situation birds will seemingly brighten up and be very active. This is likely due to survival instincts. In a stressful situation like going to the vet, they'll work harder to hide their symptoms from potential predators that may choose to pick them off. But in a place they feel safe like their cage, they're more likely to let their guard down and start showing those signs of illness again. Personally I would be finding a different vet.

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Thank you for all the responses and conserns. Sorry in the delay in reply!

Unfortunately my poor little Cosmo didn't make it! She had a short life but she was loved. I feel absolutely horrible for the pain she must of been in.

I will still let you know what happened because I know people will still be curious and its always good to know a personal experience.
On Saturday Cosmo had deteriorated quite a bit since my last post. She looked horrible, she was swollen around ber beak and eyes, she was still tail bobbing and her breathing was a lot worse and she barely would move.
To me it really had seemed her antibiotics made her worse.



I went to a different avian vet saturday (his name was Ian) that was recommended by another bird lover. He was lovely, way more professional and seemed a lot more educated. He looked at her and said he was quite certain that it was Avian Chlymidiosis and gave me the option to do tests to confirm it but advised against it because of how sick she was. Ian gave her an injection of antibiotics and warned me that she still may die but said if she got better to take her back in a week to get another dose and then the same thing the week after. Then I would have had to give her antibiotics orally for the next 3 weeks after that.

Ian also informed me that my boyfriends bird (Nismo) and my two house mates ones (Penot and Gavin) will more than likely be sick aswell, so he gave me antibiotics to put in their water daily for six weeks to treat them. Unfortunately Nismo has started to show signs of sickness.
I set Cosmo up a hospital box when we got home from the vets using a floodlight as a source of heat. I checked on her every 10 minutes making sure the box stayed at 32į and adjusting the distance of the light.



After about 4 hours of being home Cosmo had a seizure and passed away. I didnít know what to do in the situation but she died within a couple of minutes of when she started having the fit.



The vet thinks she may have been sick when I bought her home from the breeder. We called her to inform what happened as her other birds could be sick and ask a couple of questions but she just said all her birds are healthy and said "I canít take all my birds to the vet, how would I make money that way" then said I can have another bird if I like.

Sorry if I am still using Talk Budgies incorrectly, I have read all the how-to and a couple of the stickies but I just thought I would quickly let you guys know what happened before getting to the rest.

Does anyone know if antibiotics can make the sickness worse? Cosmos face only started getting swollen after taking it. I know the vet said otherwise but she just deteriorated so much after taking it.
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So sorry for your loss. Did the vet discuss with you that Chlamydiosis a/k/a Psittacosis, is zoonotic, meaning that it can be passed to humans? Since Nismo is beginning to show signs of illness I would inform the vet immediately and it may be best to have him hospitalized. Illness in birds can progress very quickly, so although it may seem as if the medicine had something to do with the decline of Cosmo he had probably been ill since you got him and the illness had just progressed to the point of the symptoms you saw. I would not purchase any more birds from that breeder, the comment of making money is to me a very telling comment.
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Maddy,

I'm very sorry for your loss of Cosmo.

I agree with everything Cody said in her last post.

I certainly would never get another budgie from that breeder!

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I am really sorry for your loss.
It is important not to blame yourself for Cosmo's death. Birds are, unfortunately for us, very good at hiding symptoms of illness until it gets really serious, so incidents like this often happen.
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I'm so sorry to hear of your loss of Cosmo You did all you could for her and unfortunately nothing else could be done
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