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Old 09-25-2019, 04:50 PM
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My budgie Charlie has a large tumor. Over the past few weeks, it's been getting bigger. She eats and drinks and no issues with pooing. Today I took her to the vet and he said its a lipoma. The doctor sais to change her diet. I am guilty of spoiling both Oz and Charlie with millet and those treat sticks ( vita craft) they eat a seed mix called 3-D Pet Products Premium Parakeet Food, 5.0 LB They hate the good stuff like zupreem pellets I cannot get them to eat it. The doctor said they really need to eat a better diet and cut back on the millet and treat sticks. He also said he can remove the tumor BUT it is a risky surgery. He said she is healthy otherwise and it all is a decision I need to make. I HATE to see Charlie look like she has a walnut in her. She isn't comfortable and sleeps a bit more. This surgery will take 1 day and I can take her home the same day. The cost is about 300 and IF she doesn't make it thru the surgery they won't charge me.
I am going to mix their seed with Zupreem and they just have to eat it. I am cutting back on the millet too... I feel bad that this happened because I was feeding them the stuff they like. I can't get them to eat veggies I tried a lot!! no luck. The only thing they do like is corn on the cob.


>>>>Charlie is almost 9 years old<<<

I scheduled the surgery for 10/7 I am not sure if I should go thru with it and the doctor said to just call and cancel it if I decide not to. He said she will live but just will have this bulge and it could get bigger. I am sad about this

any advice??
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Is this an avian vet you saw? A lipoma is a benign fatty tumor, you have to weigh the risk of surgery against the outcome if removed. If you do not change the diet even if you have it removed there is a chance another may develop. This is a decision you have to make but I would not put a 9 year old budgie into surgery unless there were life threatening issues involved. The fact that they told you there would be no charge if she did not make it through surgery is a bit alarming to me , do they expect her not to make it? Corn is fattening so I would stop that or greatly limit the amount, how much and how often to you give that? I would also cut out the treat sticks and reduce the millet. My birds get one little ball of millet each that I pick off the spray and not the whole spray of millet. Do you have seed in their cage all day for them to eat as often as they choose? There are ways to cut down, you can offer 1/2 -1 teaspoon of seed in the morning and again in the evening and leave pellets in the cage during the day.
Does she get exercise, out of the cage time?
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Thank you for your reply.... Let me try to answer all you asked


Is this an avian vet you saw? Yes and he has a great reputation

The fact that they told you there would be no charge if she did not make it through surgery is a bit alarming to me ,<<< The vet said the decision to do it or not is a personal one the doctor didn't want to influence me BUT...
<<< the doctor finally did say what you did and said unless her life was in jeopardy its risky. He said they would not feel right with the high risk IF she did not make it thru the surgery to charge me. He said she is otherwise healthy and he has seen worse cases of budgies with this kind of tumor. The doctor did say IF she went thru the surgery, and it was successful. that she would be much more comfortable BUT there is no guarantee it wouldn't come back. It is a risk and I need to make the decision


Corn is fattening so I would stop that or greatly limit the amount, how much and how often do you give that?<<< I hang a small ear of corn for them to nibble on 2 times a week and they really like it.



I would also cut out the treat sticks and reduce the millet. My birds get one little ball of millet each that I pick off the spray and not the whole spray of millet.>>> yup, I am doing that from today forward!

Do you have seed in their cage all day for them to eat ?>> yes I do it is in there all day every day.


There are ways to cut down, you can offer 1/2 -1 teaspoon of seed in the morning and again in the evening and leave pellets in the cage during the day.>> that is what the vet also said!!



Does she get exercise, out of the cage time? no, they are in a huge fight cage it is 5 feet wide and 6 feet tall it is huge and they have perches, toys and all kinds of things to play with. In the 5+ years, I have had them, they hate coming out and IF I try to get them out they fly right back and RUN in their house. So, I don't try anymore. I can leave the cage door open and they won't go near it.

I just hate seeing her look so large she looks uncomfortable. And for years I tried to get them on pellets with no success. I also enjoyed watching them look very happy nibbling on their millet, treat sticks, and corn! they would sing eat play and that made me happy knowing they are happy. And now I see I'm killing her because I gave them so much millet and treat sticks.

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I just cleaned their house and put 1/3 seed and 2 /3 zupreme and no millet and no corn and no treat sticks. I will give them a treat stick tomorrow but take it out after a few hours. I really enjoy my birds. I am very guilty of spoiling them. It makes me feel good to see them happy, singing, snacking, napping and generally being very "happy" The doctor today really gave me a good education on feeding them. Somehow I have to get them eating the pellets. as I type this, they are looking at the food bowl. I sure hope that they will eat the pellets. I have tried so many times. I am also not sure what to do about Charlie's tumor. I really hate seeing her look like that. I don't feel though it is worth the risk not at her age. Will think on it
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Diet conversion takes a lot of time an patience and will not be accomplished overnight, and sometimes not at all, I have tried it several times and I say partially failed because not all my birds will eat the pellets. I think I tried every pellet on the market and the only one that they accepted is the Zupreem canary size which is the smallest, one of my birds will only eat the green ones. Take a look at this link on Harrison's site regarding conversion it's good to read about various techniques https://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/u...rd-conversion/
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Diet conversion takes a lot of time an patience and will not be accomplished overnight, and sometimes not at all, I have tried it several times and I say partially failed because not all my birds will eat the pellets. I think I tried every pellet on the market and the only one that they accepted is the Zupreem canary size which is the smallest, one of my birds will only eat the green ones. Take a look at this link on Harrison's site regarding conversion it's good to read about various techniques https://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/u...rd-conversion/
Thank You I will look at that link!! I have though tried so many times waited 3 weeks and nothing!! they like the seed, not the pellets, I have tried all kinds from roudybush to zupreem and nothing! they don't like it. I hope this time I can convert them...... Also>>> am also not sure what to do about Charlie's tumor. I really hate seeing her look like that. I don't feel though it is worth the risk not at her age. Will think on it
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If you can get her to lose weight by reducing the food intake you might see the lipoma size reduce.
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Oh yes, they are both on a diet now
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In addition to the changes in diet that Cody recommended, I'd start Charlie on Knotgrass right away.

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