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Emergency Room Medical Emergencies Only. Advice given here is NOT a substitute for veterinary care and is intended only for initial guidance until you can contact a Avian Veterinarian for treatment

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Old 03-14-2019, 04:04 PM
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If you have doubts about the current vet I suggest you look for another. An exotic vet usually has experience with birds but you never know how extensive the experience is. Can you locate an avian vet in your area?

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You’re right, the exotics vet you saw doesn’t sound completely knowledgeable about birds. Budgies (and any parrot type bird) do NOT need grit for digestion! In fact, it can do more harm than good. I’d let them run the diagnostics on the fecal sample though. I know you really want answers, but we can’t accurately determine anything from pics. Sometimes there can still be blood cells, but they can not be seen with our eyes, unless there is a lot. If your vet is asking for a sample, there needs to be much more than that. Try for 1/2 teaspoon at least. Best of luck!
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Hi,

This post is continuation of previous one where I said my budgie was sick an had pasting of the vent before that we took her to the vet in feb because she was fluffed up and sitting idle all day.

In feb when we took her to the vet she was prescribed synulox drops for 6 days because the vet suggested it could be respiratory although I did not hear any wheezing before, staining or any other symptoms of respiratory except for tail bobbing however thinking that maybe the vet saw something that we would have missed we carried to the treatment with synulox and vitamin drops in water.

After the treatment that I noticed that my budgie was visibly getting more clogged nose and instead of her usual dry sneeze they were watery. There was also more tail bobbing and whenever she took a flight she would have loud wheezing noises but there is no staining. During this time she had the pasting of her vent and after that she had red poop as well and when she wakes up the poops are of disproportionately large size. She also has times when she poops more than one poop. All this I noticed after the treatment.We took her back again in case if it was a fungal or anything else. The vet suggested poop test however since we weren't expecting it, he took the sample right then however the bad poops were dry by that time as she usually fluctuates between the bad and good poops so he sampled a good poop and for the respiratory he said we should do a sample for that so I was asked when cutie sneeze I use a stick with cotton on the end to sample it and put it in a test tube with charcoal.

Now when the results come back I am informed that nothing came up in the poop test ( I knew that the poop he sampled would not reveal anything and also another vet had suggested that we collect poop samples for 3 days and send it to the lab for analysis however he took only one poop for sampling) for the respiratory there is a small population of bacteria growing however it is not significant. the tests were way above 200 and now I don't know how will insurance cover it since the tests don't seems to show much. I know definitely cutie is sick just today she was fluffed up and sleeping and throwing off pellets please suggest to me what to do I don't want to find out on the last stage.

As anyone had experience with synulox for respiratory since I know usually baytril is used. Should I ignore the pasting of the vent could it be a side effect but it happened after the med and it keeps happening not as worst as the first time but poops do get stuck. And what about the red poops she did them a few days but nothing for few weeks now. We also tried taking all red things from diet out then no red poops were there in that day. she had also vomited when the vet handled her and in car journey could it be mega bacteria and hence the red poops???

Thank you for taking the time to help it means a lot especially when vets dont seem to help in improving my budgie's health.
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Sorry your bird is still ill, this has been going on way too long without a proper diagnosis. Where are you located, perhaps if there are other members in your area that have a good experience with an avian vet they would share that information. As far as I know Megabacteria does not cause red droppings but you can see whole seeds being passed in the droppings of a bird with Megabacteria. Colored droppings can be caused by what the bird is eating. If your bird has Megabacteria an antibiotic will not help as the organism is not really a bacteria so treatment is with an entirely different type of drug, but sometimes there is a secondary infection and an antibiotic is needed for that.
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Sound's like the pasting has gotten better, and the red dropping's have not been present for some time so I would be more concerned with an answer on the respiratory symptoms you're seeing. Was the swab sample just for bacterial or did that cover fungal too ? What about possible air sac mite infection ? Has anything at all changed in her environment that you can think of...new furniture, carpet, throw rug, etc. anything that could irritate the very sensitive budgie respiratory system ? Is she molting or doing more than normal preening ? Vet's are certainly expensive but the good ones are worth it. I am not a big fan of any vet who prescribes an anti biotic "just in case" because they wipe out good bacteria along with bad. Do you use pro biotics following the use of anti b's to help restore your bird's good bacteria ? How about regular use of Apple Cider Vinegar in the water ? Keep her warm and take her cage in a hot steamed up bathroom if her breathing becomes distressed. I would write down a lot of questions on paper before you go to vet and write down all their answer's to each while your there, and don't use a vet that's not avian or at least very avian experienced if you can help it. Prayer's for your little hen's recovery.
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Hi,
I called her vet and he said that he only tested for bacteria and it was negative. I do normally give her ACV but because that vet suggested giving her bsp vitamin drops in water I have stopped giving her ACV but should I start again and give her ACV every alternative day or do you think it will interfere with vitamins, it shouldn't right?

I have never given her any pro biotics what is the difference between pre and pro biotic? I know that they are to replace good bacteria. She has recently started to lose lot of feather since a couple of days and I believe she might be starting her moult soon.

Please advise what I should do next? Also this vet said that though he didn't find anything in the test he said he will refer us to an avian vet but I think I will have to wait so in the meantime what should I do?
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Do not introduce any additional supplements at this time. You need to take the budgie to an Avian Vet right away for the proper diagnosis and treatment plan.

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

If there are no Avian Vets near you, please find an Exotic Pet Veterinarian with experience in dealing with small birds.

I've merged your three threads regarding your budgie's health into one at this time.

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Take your vet's advice and let him refer you to an avian vet, your bird is enduring unnecessary suffering by waiting and if she is starting a molt that will put additional stress on her system.
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Hi,

I went to an avian vet yesterday it took some time to find a avian vet but even then it is 1 hour away it is called CJ halls. They have kept cutie overnight and will do an x ray and blood test. We were meant to collect her today if everything is okay but I called them today and they said they might have to keep her for one more night they have not explained any results yet as I was taking to the receptionist. On the day of the vet visit cutie was moulting and her poops had started to give off a smell but she was eating and playing as normal. She had lost weight overtime she was 46g but on the day of the vet visit she was 40g. Also do you think the vet will give us the x ray or do they keep it for themselves. I am not sure if I should have put her through this what if a simple probiotics would have been enough she might also be getting injections of antibiotics etc. Are these tests too much for a budgie especially when they are moulting???
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Is this where you went https://www.cjhall-vets.co.uk/services.asp#Birds if so it says that the vet here is an avian vet so hopefully you have finally found someone that can accurately determine what Cutie's problem is and get her on the correct treatment plan. Since the vet in the link I have here is a member of Association of Avian Veterinarians, if that is the vet that saw Cutie, I think you just have to put your trust in him and ask him whatever questions you have regarding the necessity of the tests that are being done. Hopefully he can get to the bottom of whatever is causing Cutie's illness as it has been going on too long. Please keep us posted on the progress.
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