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Old 01-27-2015, 07:26 AM
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Early December, my 16 YO pysia got diagnosed with bumble foot. He was given daily injections of Baytril and some metacam by a great avian vet in adelaide Australia called Mark Hill.

Today we took him to another vet, apparently also an avian vet. We've been to him before, though we were not impressed, and my instincts told me not to go to him. But unlike Mark, he's only around the corner, and pysia gets stressed from the car ride.

We took him there, had to wait 30 min with a very badly behaved dog that scared pysia, and then saw the "vet".

We told him he needed another course of baytril, because it had helped a lot last time, but the vet decided he thinks it's gout, even though he had been tested for that. He gave pysia some baytril, a bit of metacam, and vitamin b complex. This is fine, but it looked to me like he was too cheap to use fresh sterile syringes and needles, keeping them in a draw, and recapping the left overs.

He then made some cocktail with baytril in a cream that smelt of garlic. Told me it would help topically, but I've never heard of baytril working like that, and my other vet said last time that he needed it injected to work properly.

This cocktail smelt bad, appeared dirty, and for all intensive purposes seemed unsterile. It didn't help that he then diluted metacam roughly with tap water, and the solution was swarming with what I would call crap.

Pysia was shaking like I've never seen before, I think he overdosed him on the metacam because it's midnight and he's as high as a kite. It cost a fortune, no extra shots no nothing. I work in a lab, and couldn't trust the metacam he gave us as was. It looked like spit. I sterilised it at work, making it a clear solution, so I hope it will be fine now.

To top it all off, his nail was broken during the consult and bled badly.

Im now worried about the following:

Will topical baytril cocktail garlic thing work, or it it a holistic load of crap.

Will 1 shot of baytril do anything at all? I am also giving him augmentin which was prescribed to him after his last baytril.

I soaked the nail in salt water, then dabbed some corn starch on it. How quickly will it heal? Can it get infected?

I wonder if I should take him to the good vet of see how this stuff works out....

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You should have stuck with the origional vet that knows the birds history. I would go back to him and tell him what the new doctor done. I do not think that second vet is a very good one. You need to take the bird to that first vet. His experience does not sound good

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Old 01-27-2015, 08:37 AM
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In hindsight, yes. Both are registered with all the appropriate societies as both avian verse and budgie vets. We only went to this one because he was close and pysia gets badly stressed from the card rides.
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Poor Pysia. Keep us posted on how he is doing. Hopefully your other vet can sort this out. All my best thoughts and prayers.
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Topical antibiotics are a thing and do work but only if the flesh is cut or abraised in someway I'm not sure if it would help if there is no open wound on the skin (although it might help the nail heal quicker)

As to the nail you did everything right - generally most small wounds take abt a week to heal. There is always the possibility of infection with any wound but I doubt your guy will suffer from it, just watch for any redness or swelling (which denotes infection) and you can dab a tiny bit of that topical baytril you have which would nip any growing infection in the bud.

As to the rest I would return to the good vet and get their opinion on the whole situation
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I would go to the good vet right away if possible
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If it is gout I believe it should be treated with Allopurinol which reduces the uric acid in the system, did the vet mention that med?
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No the dodgy vet made no mention of this. Just said if its gout then theres nothing that can be done...
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Gout is the result of too much protein and subsequently a build up of uric acid. Changing the diet is the best way to resolve gout. What is your little one eating? If there is not a lot of protein in his diet, I would say that gout is not the issue and it sounds as if Vet #1 is probably much better than Vet #2. Can you call an Avian Certification Board to see if there have been any complaints against Vet #2? I am not suggesting that you need to lodge a complaint but it could answer a question as to whether or not you would ever go see this doc again...
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I don't think its gout because he has a pretty healthy diet. Sure he liked his pasta and seeds, but he loves his leafy greens and herbs. And he ate pretty much EVERYTHING in his life time. We joke that this is how he's lived to 16 YO!

The vet #2 had given him some metacam, and I think he may have given him a bit much, because the swelling went down dramatically. It revealed more clearly the White spot or mass which has been growing/rising towards his skin in the last week.

Today I observed him taking a load off his sore foot, so the metacam is wearing off, I gave him what was meant to be oral metacam diluted. It didn't seem to have much of an effect, but tasted like just water to me (had to do some human testing first given the vet it came from...)

I put the baytril ointment on his foot. He didn't seem to care much for it, but it can't do much harm.

I'm observing him carefully. I have home surveillance set up and everything. If the White spot looks any worse tomorrow morning I'll take him to vet #1. The plan is to take him Thursday or Friday regardless (vet #1 was not in today). Hes getting oral antibiotics daily in his seed, which should help keep any infection under some level of control...



His broken toe looks like it's ok.
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