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Old 01-28-2015, 05:26 AM
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I've tried to find information on here to help but didn't find anything that matches so here goes...

Ollie hasn't been himself since late November when he had a heavy moult. I noticed he was tiring quicker when flying, he'd land on me a bit out of breath, gradually over time this got worse and he became quiet.

I took him to the vet who checked him over and prescribed Baytril for a chest infection, she believed he'd been got to by a draught (Ollie likes to sit in the bathroom by the mirror, and I found a draught comes in from a vent on the wall), so he's kept out of there now.

After a few days on antibiotics and vitamin supplements he seemed to improve slightly. He was talking a little and was a bit more active, not his old self though, but we at least thought he was on the mend. It didn't last...

Gradually everything became more of an effort for him, even flying across the room left him struggling for breath, and he was clicking when breathing. Giving him the medicine orally proved a challenge that he struggled with, and so he would just sit quietly, usually tucked under my chin.

I spoke to the vet about Ollie struggling with taking medicine from a syringe and she worked out a dosage when mixed with water. This didn't help either as Ollie just plain avoided the water. He was still eating fine though.

So we took him back to the vet a couple of days ago and she agreed that his infection had worsened and has given us the strongest antibiotic he can have, to be administered from a dropper or syringe. We explained that taking it this way is hard for him, but she insisted this was the only option now.

Seeing as we feel that it's now do or die, we are giving him his dosage twice a day, and handling him even though we know how tough he finds the ordeal.

My wife is giving the meds exactly as suggested, but Ollie protests and struggles until he's put back in the cage. The last couple of times have been frightening though, he would not leave my wife's hand, he just lay there with his wings out, laying slightly on his side, extremely still and with fast shallow breathing, and a look of panic in his eyes. I just wonder if he can keep on fighting this, he was so unsteady that he just lay on the bottom of the cage until he'd recovered enough to clamber back onto his perch.

We still need to give him his medicine, but I can't see how he will survive this ordeal over and over. We're so worried. If anyone has any advice, that might help I'd be really grateful.

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Oh Poor baby. Use a soft cloth when you catch him gently scoop him up towel and all just have his head free from the cloth. gently hold him you do not need to squeeze or hold tightly as the cloth will keep him in. Have everything ready before you pick him up. Talk to him soothingly move slowly and methodically. Who ever is holding him have him sitting up right use your hand to hold him and the other person have the dropper ready with the dose have it at room temperature not freezing straight out of the fridge. With your other hand gently tap or prise his beak open slightly, the syringe is good for this then administer he dose. do not do it all at once as you can harm him do it slowly and calmly. Hold him upright as I said, then slowly walk to the cage and gently place him back in, he needs to kept in a small hospital cage which is warmer than normal as well. I do hope he pulls through. Also cover the cage and place a kettle near by so the steam goes into the cage you can add some eucalyptus drops to this water to help open his airways as well. get some electrolytes and give to him also.
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Thanks, we will try a towel. Ollie puts up such a fight I think he almost over exerts himself. We talk and try to go slowly with him, but he screeches as soon as he's in our hand. He's fine with being stroked and made a fuss of but he hates being enclosed. We are both real scared that he may not get his breath the next time.

I don't know why he's so listless afterwards, he has no strength or balance, he goes floppy, is that normal after being given medication?

Ollie's 5 years old, so not old, but not a spring chicken either. The kettle sounds like a good idea as well, I tried a fan heater but he didn't like the movement of air and flapped about his cage trying to get away from it, so that idea was quickly abandoned.

He has to have 0.05ml of medicine, a tiny amount, it tastes very sweet so he should like the taste.

Do you know where I could get the electrolytes?


Another thing to mention, he has an Iodine block which he is always gnawing at, I find the dust all over the perch below where it hangs? Could it be he's getting enough Iodine from that?
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I'm sorry to hear this , my skylar has just recovered from his respatory infection. He had some really bad days and got really stressed out when I had to give him medicine - I found that if I put his cage into the bathroom with the shower on creating tones of steam and leaving him in there for a good while, it would pick him up a vast amount! He would even start chirping. Just remember to cover his cage after so he does t get cold
I also bought eucalyptus oil online and mixed that in steaming water
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I would also talk to your vet about putting him on avian probiotics once his course of antibiotics are done so that you can repopulate the good bacteria. I hope you start to see daily improvement. You may also wish to use Rescue Remedy with him before & after his medication administration. You can either put a drop anywhere on his body or buy the spray and do the same being careful not to get any in his eyes.
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Thanks, we will try a towel. Ollie puts up such a fight I think he almost over exerts himself. We talk and try to go slowly with him, but he screeches as soon as he's in our hand. He's fine with being stroked and made a fuss of but he hates being enclosed. We are both real scared that he may not get his breath the next time.

I don't know why he's so listless afterwards, he has no strength or balance, he goes floppy, is that normal after being given medication?

Ollie's 5 years old, so not old, but not a spring chicken either. The kettle sounds like a good idea as well, I tried a fan heater but he didn't like the movement of air and flapped about his cage trying to get away from it, so that idea was quickly abandoned.

He has to have 0.05ml of medicine, a tiny amount, it tastes very sweet so he should like the taste.

Do you know where I could get the electrolytes?


Another thing to mention, he has an Iodine block which he is always gnawing at, I find the dust all over the perch below where it hangs? Could it be he's getting enough Iodine from that?
Ollie is indeed very sick by the sounds, keep him warm by either a heating pad or even a hot water bottle covered, Electrolyte's can be purchased from a vet or good pet store, if he is eating soak the millet in it. He is using all of his strength to fight you then is exhausted poor boy . Keep him calm as possible this goes for you as well he will pick up on your stress.
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Thanks for all your replies, they're very encouraging. I will try the steam later when I get home. He is still eating well (it takes a lot to put him off of his food, toast crumbs are his favourite), he normally has millet once a month as a treat but lately I've been replacing it as needed - at least he's getting the energy from it. I've also been adding vitamin drops to his water.

The vet did say his lungs sounded noisy, so the problem appears there.

I was wondering about the probiotics, they are a good idea, I have some probiotic yoghurts in the fridge, but I'm guessing they would be unsuitable for him?

Ollie would always hop in the shower with me in the morning, but lately I've not let him as I don't think getting him wet would do him any good. At least in his cage he can be there getting some steam, but keeping dry at the same time.


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The probiotics are powder form and I simply sprinkle them over the seed. Yoghurt is not good for budgies. The steam is a great help and use as often as possible.
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Poor Ollie, he couldn't fight it any more, and he really did fight to the bitter end.

His breathing was quite laboured and noisy yesterday evening, so I took him up the the bathroom and ran the shower for a good amount of steam. He seemed to enjoy it and even chirped a couple of times. For a budgie with a vocabulary of close to 100 words, he had been so quiet for a month, so even those little chirps were wonderful to hear.

Eventually I took him back to his cage, but he thought I wanted him to go in, so he flew away. Only when he landed on my wife's shoulder he was unable to get his breath and was panicking and getting tangled in her hair. I picked him up gently and cradled him, talking to him to try and calm him down but he was fighting for breath, he eventually became still and just stared at me for a while (I will never forget the way he looked at me), before passing away in my hands.

He was my 'son with feathers', he knew before anyone when I was due to arrive home from work, was the first to greet me when I got in, and would insist on a song and dance before I did anything else (he sang well and danced in time), the feeling of loss right now is crushing.

Ollie was always with me when I was indoors, he was on my head or shoulder, always. This is going to be so hard...

Thanks for all of your help and support.

I've attached a couple of pictures of Ollie, below.

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Rest in Peace, sweet handsome Ollie. Keep his cute face and happy song and dance close to your heart, and he will be with you forever. Ollie was a special friend. He left us much too soon. I am so sorry for your loss.
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