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I have a female budgie approx. 2.5 yrs old, she is the slightly larger breed and she seems quite poorly. Her symptoms are that she's sleeping a lot, she presses herself against her mate as if she is seeking warmth, and her feathers are a little ruffled at times.

From time to time she gets up and has a wonder about, preens herself etc, though she is not alert and seems to lack interest in doing anything. She has lost the colour on her cere, and she is no longer chirping.

Instead when she makes a noise it is more like a squeak or a whimper, its ever so sad to hear. She also does not have the same flying ability that she once has, this has been long standing, and this could be part more fault, as I do believe that you are suppose to encourage budgies to fly, though her mate flies fine.

She eats and drinks fine and is also fed by her mate. She does bob her head up and down bringing up seed from time to time too. I have wondered if this might be because she is taking too much seed? I have thought about separating them though I feel she needs her mate, so have not done so.

I went to see a vet last Monday and he told me that she could be brooding, he said she was the right weight and the droppings looked fine, that the loss of colour in her cere could be a lack of vitamin A and can happen, and told me to carry on mixing a powder into the water given to me for a previous budgie, it contains vitamins and is suppose to help stressed animals.

I have been thinking since then and I don't agree with him, so I am going to seek a second opinion from another vet this coming Monday.

My thoughts are could it be a throat infection? I feel possibly antibiotics of some sort might be more appropriate. I hope the vet that I shall be seeing on Monday is going to say something different.

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Sorry to hear that your hen is not doing well. I am wondering if that was an avian vet ? I am glad you are going to another vet, and I would suggest some testing to ensure there is nothing serious going on. Do you use Apple cider vinegar for your bird's ? If not, I would suggest you give it a try. In the mean time, Keep her warm as possible, and let us know what your next vet trip reveal's...

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Hi there! I'm sorry to read about your budgie's health. It sounds like an excellent idea to seek a second opinion. I did the same thing about 7 months ago after spending almost 1000€ at a vet who "wouldn't do blood work to test my budgie because he was too small" (he was 38g at the time!). It was the best move ever - Sammy's exotics vet is super knowledgable and has always helped Sammy get over his frequent infections (my budgie has a low immune system and gets stress-provoked infections).

Here are a few things that you can try while you are waiting for your second opinion:

1. Try to offer your budgie an electric heating pad or a hot water bottle on half of the cage. This will allow her to get the warmth that she needs, and putting it on half the cage means that she can get away from it if she's too hot.

2. Provide perches that are low in the cage and close to the food and water bowls. Try not to make her expend any unnecessary energy in case she is weakened.

3. Feed her some egg food (you can find a great recipe here: ) to give her some extra energy. Provide 2 dishes of it since you have 2 budgies.

4. Do you notice that she is tail bobbing or breathing heavily? Does she sneeze frequently or produce "wet" sneezes? If so, she might have a respiratory infection. Keep her warm and put a boiling kettle under a steam tent around her cage as this will help her breathe easier.

5. You said that she is bobbing her head and bringing up seed. Is she regurgitating for her mate, or is she vomiting? (shaking her head quickly, sometimes the seeds will be stuck to the cage bars, perches, or your budgie's head) These are very different actions, and if she's vomiting, she does need quick medical help.

6. Try adding a probiotic supplement to her food. I use Harrison's Booster, although other owners have had great success with other brands.

7. Is she going through a molt? This might cause a drop in energy and a bit more lethargy. You can tell because you will see lots of feathers around the cage and she might have little "pin feathers" on her body or head.

Finally, if she is hand tame, try to take a weight recording every 12-24 hours. This will help you see if she is losing weight.

I would separate her into a smaller cage about 1 hour before you take her to the other vet so that you will have samples of her droppings that are only hers. If you take all of the droppings, you vet might look at one of your male's droppings without realize it and might miss important signs.

Best of luck and please keep us updated!
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Hello and welcome, I am very happy to hear you are getting a second opinion regarding your budgies health. You have been given excellent advice from PrincipePio. Birds need to be seen by a qualified avian vet to get the correct and proper attention they require. I do hope you get appositive result from the visit please let us know the outcome of the visit.
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Welcome to Talkbudgies. I'm sorry to hear about your bird's condition. I agree with one point that your vet referred to - Vitamin A deficiency. I was inclined to think your bird might be suffering form Megabacteria or Avian Gastric Yeast but as you say that she is of the right weight, thta doesn't seem to be the case.
Vitamin A deficiency can cause a host of problems in budgies like dull coloured feathers, cere, nasal discharges, blocked nose, lethargy, bad smell form mouth...to name a few. Are you offering her a balanced diet or administering her vitamin supplements? Spinach, carrots, beetroot etc. are the natural sources of Vitamin A. Vitamin supplements should be provided if your bird is not getting enough vitamins form the food.
You have said that you suspect it to be throat infection. That can too occur due to vitamin A deficiency. Here is a link I found which may be useful -

Vitamin A Deficiency in Birds | petMD
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Sorry to hear that your hen is not doing well. I am wondering if that was an avian vet ? I am glad you are going to another vet, and I would suggest some testing to ensure there is nothing serious going on. Do you use Apple cider vinegar for your bird's ? If not, I would suggest you give it a try. In the mean time, Keep her warm as possible, and let us know what your next vet trip reveal's...

https://talkbudgies.com/diet-nutritio...+Cider+Vinegar
The first vet I saw was more of a general practice though are suppose to be very good. The second vet I say on Monday just gone was again what you might call a general practice, she said that my budgie seems okay like the first vet did, though recommended a practice that dealt more so with exotic animals, and she did not charge me which I thought was good of her.

So I have made an appointment with this third practice which is a bit further away, though seems a much better bet, I have been on their website and I wonder if my budgie has a respiratory disease, says are common and treatable. We shall see fingers crossed.
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The first vet I saw was more of a general practice though are suppose to be very good. The second vet I say on Monday just gone was again what you might call a general practice, she said that my budgie seems okay like the first vet did, though recommended a practice that dealt more so with exotic animals, and she did not charge me which I thought was good of her.

So I have made an appointment with this third practice which is a bit further away, though seems a much better bet, I have been on their website and I wonder if my budgie has a respiratory disease, says are common and treatable. We shall see fingers crossed.
Have not tried Apple cider vinegar. Sounds interesting.
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Thank you for all your comments, it made some interesting reading. I am going to another vet this Thursday who seems to have more experience with exotic animals, third time lucky. Its a bit further away though my little birdie deserves it. We shall see what happens.
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I took my budgie to a third vet yesterday who has a lot of experience with exotic animals. He confirmed that my budgie is very sick. The reason she has the symptoms that she has is because she is severely underweight, so I need to start piling on the calories for her the vet has said.

I have bought some millets today which I shall keep permanently In the cage, I have given egg food, and an additional seed recommended to me by my pet shop which is suppose to be very good for adding weight, generally given in the winter.

She also seems to have a fungal condition, so the vet has given medicine for me to give to her once a day via a syringe, we shall see how I get on, not use to handling my birds.
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I'm glad to hear that your budgie has received good vet help. That's great!

I hope that she continues to improve.

Regarding medication, you can trap her with a tea towel (dim the lights first so that she won't be able to see as well and won't get as stressed). Hold her "shoulders" rather than around her chest. You can hold her and try speaking soothingly to her and scratching her cheek patches for about 2-3 minutes after giving her the medicine. That should keep her from any regurgitation of medicine.

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