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Old 03-21-2015, 04:43 PM
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My chick is a little over three months old. He started eating his seed mix when he was about 2 months. He'd have some from the 3 full treys in his cage. He had no problem dehusking the seeds and would be eating for about ten minutes after every hand feeding session. He also started eating egg food for a while. As well as this, he loved parsley.
But nowadays he's stopped having his seed mix and egg food. He only has the formula I give him every four hours. I feel like we've taken 100 steps back. I really don't know what to do I really hoped abundance weaning would work, and it seemed to be working, but why has he stopped. He just has a great appetite for his formula.
Just for you to know, there was a stage that I tried to extend the hand feeding sessions from every 4 to every 6 hours. And he would scream and flock call at around 4 and a half hours. So I had to return to every 4 hours. Do you think that may have had an adverse effect on him.
He's a little over 3 months old and I fear that all this formula may cause obesity.

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Hello I was wondering how things were going with your baby. Perhaps a visit to a qualified avian vet to rule out any internal or unknown medical issues are affecting him, this would then at least be a positive help.
Hand reared babies can be notorious for taking a long time to wean have you thought about getting another budgie for him to copy off and become more bird orientated this has helped my Budget hugely. He is now better behaved and interacts with me just as much but has bird conversations and time with the others as well.
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Everyone's been telling me to get another budgie at home too. But I'm not prepared for that yet. How long did it take Budget to wean?
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Hopefully some of our expert breeders will be able to provide you with advice regarding this matter.

It worries me that your budgie is 3 months old and has regressed to the point of wanting to be fed rather than eating on its own.

That is not normal behavior for a three month old.
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Has anyone even heard of a case like this before?
Why would he start eating seeds and then stop. He looks very healthy. He's also very playful and loves his toys.
The last time I found an avian vet here I had to travel for two hours to get to her office. When I arrived there she told me she wouldn't do anything because she had apparently locked all her medication and equipment in a room and had lost the keys. Pet care is not as good as it might be in your country here. And at the end of the day you really wouldn't doubt their integrity. I just want you to understand the situation I'm in.
If anyone has had a situation like mine please let me know.
Also, do any of the professionals feel that abundance weaning may not work for some chicks. Should I try force weaning him?
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The fact that your budgie has not had the opportunity to socialize with other budgies is playing into the problems you are experiencing.

Generally, a baby budgie has the adult male to teach it to do "budgie" type things.

Babies mimic the older bird's behavior. This was brought up in your other thread regarding this bird if you recall.

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This is extremely common behavior in budgies that are raised alone. That is why any breeder who is an experienced/ethical hand feeder will never raise a bird on their own if at all possible, or sell a baby to be hand fed in that situation.

Being so social they need a sibling or other bird to feel secure mentally, and weaning is all about feeling confident and wanting to mature. Lone raised babies almost always have separation anxiety issues as chicks and adults, and take much longer to wean than budgies raised with a nest mate.

Unfortunately in this case there is nothing you can do but be patient with the baby as he is just going off of the situation he is in. Trying to force wean him will only make the anxiety worse and likely lead to more psychological problems now and in the future.

Continue with the hand feedings until he is mentally ready to wean himself. They will all wean eventually, but the anxiety is something that will likely continue even after weaning unless you get another budgie before he matures too much and the realization that he is in fact a budgie and not a human is lost.

I am sorry you are dealing with this situation as I know very well it is exhausting, but when you choose to hand feed a baby on its own you must do what is needed for the babies well being, even if it is difficult
Force weaning is NOT recommended as you can see from Lindsey's post above. She is an expert breeder and you would do well to follow her advice.
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I'm glad that people are chiming in to help you on this one. I also wouldn't know what to do without the help of a good avian vet.

I had a problem with my poor Princesa Pío who never weaned, although I'm sure it had to do with the illness she was hiding as she never fully feathered, even at 58 days old. She never ate seed, not once, and only wanted formula.

Still, I find it odd that Sheik has regressed back to only wanting seeds. Have you changed the seeds or how you are presenting them to him? Will he still eat his parsley?

I would not force feed him. Some budgies will take months (I've read of one budgie who took one year to wean completely!) to fully wean if they are raised alone. You can try putting a mirror under seeds so that he sees "another budgie" eating them when he gets close.

I hope he makes some progress!
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Hi Bernard and Sheik, Budget weaned quite early I was lucky in the fact that he did.
I truly believe you need to get another budgie to be a friend and mentor for him.
Getting the other budgies has not affected Budget's relationship with me at all. He imprinted you as his sole companion.
Sometimes we need to make decisions regarding our little ones we don't really want to but in this case I actually think he definitely needs another budgie to learn from.
Please think carefully and do what is best for Sheik.
He needs to start eating other foods otherwise he will become sick and have other medical issues.
Let us know how you get on soon.
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Thank you Cathy, Bethany and Deborah
Thank you for conscientiously reading and responding to my thread.
I have some good news, yesterday when I wanted to change his seeds (just because it had been there for so long not that he had eaten any) I poured it on the bottom of his cage. He very quickly jumped on the grateless bottom and started having his seeds. I just want to tell you that I started off about two months ago by pouring seeds on the bottom of his cage and only stopped doing this when I saw that he recognized the food in his trey.
We also saw him eating seeds this morning. And he didn't flock call me for food until 10 am. He usually flock calls me at 8 am. As I'm typing he is eating his millet spray which I have also tossed on the bottom.
It seems that he didn't eat because the seeds were in the trey.
Does that make any sense to you?
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It makes perfect sense. In the wild, budgies forage for their food.

Being on the bottom of the cage and eating his seed was something he was accustomed to when he was younger -- as that is how you provided the seed for him, and although he had regressed to the formula feedings, now he's moved back up to eating from the bottom of the cage. That's GREAT!!

Although I keep pellets available in my birds' cages 24/7, I always give them seed on the bottom of their cages right after changing out the paper lining each morning and evening.
They love scrabbling around and pecking at the seed and it seems a much more "natural" way for them to eat it than out of their food dish.
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