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Follow-up Center Threads made in the Emergency Room forum will be moved here by staff as a way to follow-up with members after their budgie emergency. This keeps the E.R. for only the most current emergencies.

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Old 05-31-2015, 03:20 PM
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Hi, I haven't been part of the group for some time. Going through a difficult time in my life. I have a budgie, her name is Basil. She'll be 3 yrs old this August. I noticed a few things that are concerning me about her health and looking for some advice.
She sleeps quite often during the day. I wonder if part of this is because I sleep a lot during the day though?
She's been sick on and off since I got her (as soon as she was weaned off forumla as she was hand fed as a 'baby'
The last week I've noticed she doesn't sleep in her regular sleeping spot. She started off with sleeping on the perch she stays on most of the day and the past few nights when I turn the lights down late evening and close her cage, she'll climb to the highest part of the cage, in the corner and hang on with her beak and claws. It's heartbreaking to see. I let her stay there, then after about 1/2 hour I let her onto my hand and place her back on the perch. She'll climb to the side of the cage again. Sometimes I do this several times before she finally stays on the perch. If I place her onto her usual sleeping spot she won't stay there.
She's still eating pretty well, her activity level is less but if I'm up and about she'll come out of the cage more so than if I'm lying around resting or sleeping. Her droppings seem normal (I think)
the last 2 days she's been sitting on her perch and at times has her wings stuck out a bit, not fluffed out but.. it's hard to explain. Not sure if these are bad signs.
I'd appreciate any advice or suggestions!! Thank-you so much. Also, she doesn't follow me as much into other rooms and not sure if this has to do with her possibly being sick?
Thanks, Tasha and Basil

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Do you monitor her weight? Kitchen gram scales and a square deep plastic food storage container work very well. Is the weight consistent up or down more than a couple of grams? What do the droppings look like -pic? Feel the chest muscle on either side of the keel bone if you do not have a scale is your bird English or the smaller type from the pet store. What and how much is she eating seed/pellet/egg food/ veggies/sprouts?

Do you play/exercise with her out of the cage? does she pant after flying? How many cycles around the room to stretch wings before settle down? Could she be hot? Hold her close to your ear and listen for crackling above the steady sound of the heart beat. This could be a respiratory illness. Is there any dark smudges in feathers above the cere? does she sneeze or have moisture around the cere?

Hold her facing away from you with her tail close to your chest . Gently extend each wing and check for tenderness above and below along the bones of the wings. I close my eyes and visualize as I go along the wing. Look up wing structure if you are not familiar with anatomy. still holding with one hand press thumb and first finger just above the vent on top and below the base of the tail. a small lump will be the oil gland an enlarged growth could be a feather cyst or a tumor. Examine the back under the wings for any lumps or wounds, Turn bird around and check for any abnormal lumps on chest area.

Examine eyes and ear hole for redness, swelling or excess fluid or missing feathers. Is the bird molting? are there pinnies on head and tons of feathers on the bottom of cage more than normal. Double check this and droppings by changing paper 2 times a day to see what you find. Examine feet and beak for evidence of scaley mites -crusty growths on the feet /legs/beak /cere/ skin under the beak? possible on the edges of eyes or the vent.
Check the vent area for clogged droppings or mites. does she need deworming? Do you see and tiny bugs crawling in feathers?

Start your bird on electrolyte like avitech sugarless sold by ladygouldianfinch or windy city parrot- both ship international and add a probiotic and alternate three days a week With Braggs ACV- usually available at health food store -has mother in it. If she is molting get some flax seed from pet store or health food store to support new feather growth. What vits or minerals does your bird get? Do you share people food?

Make a list of above and comment on each . High light or check off any problems identified. Vomiting? coughing? If needed make an appointment with your avian vet and take you list of weight and answers to above. This includes easy immune boost things as well as areas like diet that may need work. If you are feeling down your bird can pick up on this and be effected. play some music/tv or you tube bird sounds which should encourage response and chirping/singing and moving about the cage. Others may think of things I have missed.

I hope this helps to reveal any problems. A couple good clear pics of front /back/tail/legs face/beak/ cere or any lumps you may find. Lumps can be small like a seed or pea or large/soft or hard. I hope both you and your budgie are feeling better. B Vits are really good for energy for people and budgies B complex and a time release B12 often in a women's formula

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Jo Ann has given excellent advice. I don't think I can add anything to that great block of information
I hope Basil is okay, good to have you back and we'd love to see some pictures of your little darling
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Thank-you for your advice. It's much appreciated. I'll check her out, but not the best with anatomy (sp) budgies. I'll take some pictures too. Would I post them in this same thread? (and any thing I find?)

She does sneeze but it's on here and there but not daily. I'll check out your post again and respond with answers. I did listen to see if she has respitory mites as she had them once before. Basil definitely loves to hear other birds chirping, especially with the warmer weather she'll chirp back to the birds outside. I tell her it's her 'cousins' lol. Thank-you re: Vitamin B for both of us.
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Jo Ann has offered wonderful advice.

Any pictures or comments you have with regard to this particular health issue for Basil can be posted in this thread.

I am moving your thread over to the "Follow-Up" section of the forum at this time.

If you are concerned about Basil's health, it is always best to consult an Avian Vet for a professional diagnosis.
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Hi Jo Ann or anyone reading this!

I'm still working through all of the info you sent me and reply to it. Firstly, Basil is a regular budgie bought from a local breeder, not an English Budgie. I'll try to attach a recent picture of her from today. She's basically on a seed diet. I do give her the occasional carrott or fruit pieces but she prefers to eat it out of my hand, so it's not always possible. I've tried to add pelets to her diet but she won't eat them. She's not on any supplements. I'll look into ordering some of the electrolyte you mentioned that I could order from ladygouldianfinch or windy city parrot.

I do have Braggs AVC, I forget what the mixture should be to the water? Is there somewhere on this site I can find this? If I'm just starting, for now, with AVC should I give it to her just 3 days/week? On a regular basis?
You also mentioned Vit B for Basil, would that be in the electrolyte you mentioned or something separate?

I do leave the TV or music on especially when I go out or when I'm resting. As I was typing this she started to fall alseep and I started playing an old taping of her talking and it sure woke her up! Ha ha.

I am a bit concerned that she doesn't sleep in her usual spot anymore. It does seem though, that once the lights are all turned off for the night she goes back down to the perch rather than hang on the side of the cage all night.

I'll get some pictures taken of her and the other answer the other questions you asked. I really appreciate your help and advice.
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Here is the information on ACV
Give it to her 3 days a week in her water.

https://talkbudgies.com/holistic-natu...r-vinegar.html

This is the electrolyte Jo Ann referred to:
Lady Gouldian Finch .com - NV powder

This is the probiotic:
Lady Gouldian Finch .com - Probiotics

I would recommend you follow JoAnn's advice and make notes of any concerns. It is best you take your budgie to an Avian Vet with your list and discuss the issues with him/her and have your budgie examed for a proper diagnosis and treatment protocol.

Good luck and please let us know how the appointment goes.
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Thanks for the tips, I lost my job recently so unless Basil is not eating or showing signs of being very sick I can't take her to the vet at this point. She's been ill on and off since I got her and there's times that I've waited through and she's been fine. Often I think she's picking up things from myself not being well.


The way she is, if I took her to the vet each time something didn't seem ok, I'd be there once/month. I know some people won't agree with me but please keep comments to yourself. I'm not well myself and can't handle much of anything right now. Hopefully people will respect this. I really appreciate the advice. (Hope it came across the right way)
Thank-you for the links Faerybee!!
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Hi As Faery Bee said this is a process we use to get ready for our birds to visit the vet and at the same time provide a little support with electrolytes, ACV and probiotics, Ask your vet what pattern they would prefer you to use. whether 3 days or a week stick to a schedule. Ask about Ivermectin for parasites. Please do not give up on expanding the seed diet to include egg food fresh or prepared like Clasic Quiko. Nutriberries can be very helpful in getting budgies to eat pellets. Read up on them. and Roudybush nibbles, or crumbles, or zupreem look for the small or extra small and with or with out artificial colors.
a number of people are having success with Harrisons fine or very fine mixed in with seeds or other treats. Our bird love cornbread muffins which we stuff with tiny pieces of veggies. You have to be more stubborn than your bird and smarter as well. I know you can do it. It will really improve health. We use vetafarm Soluvite D as a wide spectrum vitamin and it already has probiotics in it. sprinkle on soft food or veggies. Best wishes, on a clean bill of health for your little one. When in doubt always check sooner than later!! Jo Ann
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You mentioned her holding her wing's out, how warm is the temperature in her environment ? Bird's will hold their wing's out away from their side pocket's when hot. I will keep you and your little bird in my prayer's, that the tough times will pass for both of you...
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