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Old 07-01-2015, 01:22 AM
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Hi, I had to type this out fast as my battery is about to go. Besides what I wrote below she seemed fine until I noticed her sleeping a lot in the afternoon..she was preening herself, flying around the room a bit ect.. THEN this..

I took her out of the cage in the early evening and she was falling asleep in my finger, and puffed out a little. I know she didn't look too good. She went back to her cage and fell back asleep. She woke me up at around 9:30pm as she was throwing up (we had both fallen alseep). She came out of the cage and sat under my chin (rarely does this). I tried to give her some water. No, didn't want it.

Shortly after she went back to the cage and had a small bite to eat and a few sips of water..then relaxed and fell back asleep. I put new paper towel down and for the past 2 hours it's just been a few wet droppings, pretty much just white. Not sure what to do. Have any ideas? I may be unlucky in finding a vet that is open on Canada Day (Canada's Birthday!) Any ideas on what I can do to help Basil out until I can get her to a vet on wed? (They may be closed that day as well) Bad timing. She's had this trouble before and the vet has given medication for it.

I was able to finally get the Natural Apple Cider Vinegar today but didn't start her on it yet. By the way, for those who may have seen my msg about worrying how Basil will handle the construction noise on my apt building, thankfully she's doing great and so far they're working on the other side far end so it's not very loud.

It's past midnight here, so I'll check back in the morning. Thank-you so much. (ps- I'll stay online for another 10minutes or so and see if I get any replies)

If she keeps throwing up her food, I still keep it in her cage, right??

Happy Canada Day to all the Canucks out there, EH!

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Old 07-01-2015, 03:34 AM
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Tasha if Basil is vomiting she definitely needs to see an avian vet as soon as possible.
In the mean time make sure she is kept as warm as possible, cover her cage on three sides provide a hot water bottle covered of course. Offer some pediolyte or other form of electrolyte soaked millet.
There must be some emergency type of vet available, if you know what the medication she had before is called ring and ask for a course of it till you can get into an avian vet.
Did the vet say what the problem was before when she was vomiting?
I do hope you manage to get her looked at I am sending healing thoughts to her.
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Thank-you for your response. I forgot about keeping her as warm as possible. I slept in the living room with her last night to make sure she was doing ok. I can't get into a vet today. She has stopped throwing up, it was just that time last night.

The vet doesn't know what is causing it. She just treats the symptoms. I do have the name of the medication so if I don't get into my regular vet then at least I can tell them what medication I've previously given her with success.

The only thing I have at home, at present is the Apple Cider Vinegar. She's definitely a lot better today and the droppings are not just the white. I could tell her vent was bothering her though, in the night she'd wake up to peck at it. I don't see her doing it anymore.

Guess we'll just keep our fingers crossed that she's ok until I can get her to a vet. Thank-you for your reply. I appreciate it a lot. It's heart-breaking to see them throwing up and nothing we can do at that moment.

ps- The vet won't prescribe a medication without a visit to the vet, unless it was my own Avian Vet and not much time had passed. Good idea though!
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:09 PM
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If I can get an appt tomorrow with the vet I'll have to take Basil by bus. I have a small carrier cage but I worry she might be bothered by the long trip and noise. I can't take a taxi as it would be $45.00 each way. I need to save the money for the vet. Usually I can get a ride but not this time. Any tips for this? Thanks in advance.
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When you take her on the bus make sure you have the travel cage held tightly and safely, have the cage covered so she will not be able to see all that is happening, she might even relax enough to nap a little. Take some water from home in a small container offer it when you are safely in the vet's room. I always take water from home when I take my birds away from home.
Have a small amount of food, place clean kitchen paper in the carrier so any droppings that are produced can be looked at by the vet.
I would advise you to buy some probiotics of some sort, I use Polly Aid Plus by Veta farm. I sprinkle it over the seed/pellet mix.
It is fine to use it daily . probiotics are a great help for digestion and gut problems.
I hope all goes well.
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Cathy has offered very good advice, Tasha.

Ask your vet to perform both fecal and blood tests to see if the cause of the illness can be determined.
Treating just the symptoms isn't usually a good long term solution.

Good luck and I'll be looking forward to an update after your little one's appointment.

Sending lots of healing energy, postive thoughts and prayers for a full and speedy recovery for Basil.
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Thanks Cathy and Deborah,

I wouldn't have thought of some of those things. I don't have an appointment with the vet until tomorrow so I'm hoping and praying Basil holds on till then. I have an MRI today that can't be cancelled and the Vet couldn't fit me in at the times I was available. Basil is eating, not as much but still has energy to play with her toys and flying around a bit. I've been hand feeding her too, to encourage her to eat.

My neighbour is driving me to my appt so she's going to let me stop by at the pet store on the way home to see what I can find that would be helpful for Basil.

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Hi, the advice above is excellent. Please if you do not have a first aid kit, Start setting one up now!! Vomiting and accompanying weight loss leads quickly to dehydration, starvation and death. Please ask your avian vet to check for Fungal related illness of crop and gut possibly supported by bacterial infection.

The kit should include a ceramic heat only lamp, Avitech sugarfree electrolyte, or Guardian Angel, Which is my favorite but if infection is fungal related can add to the problem as fungus loves a sugar substrate. But use it in an emergency to keep Basil going.

Possibly ask for a shot to start and then oral by beak dosage and a followup with a long shelf life that can be frozen or refrigerated if possible for emergency in future. Explain the transportation problem you have so that you can spend you vet bill dollars on Basil instead of transportation cost.

We have several meds that our vet sells us in bulk that we can freeze to prolong shelf life just as our vet does. Always keep on hand Braggs ACV
or similar with mother in it. My husband uses it for times whenhe is under the weather as well. Also a probiotic to help your birds immune system fight
bad bacteria in the GI tract/Gut.

Check out the info in the Stickies at the Top of the Illness and disease section of TB. Ladygouldianfinch.com, Windy City Products, All Bird Products, and cutelittlebirdies aviary All ship international to Canada and elsewhere unless prohibited by import laws. Windy city Parrot has an ala cart section for a birdy first aid Kit. just adjust for tiny birds like Basil. They also carry Avitech products which has a line of homeopathic tinctures for fungal and other issues. Clean out an old medicine bottle and keep corn starch to stop bleeding in it and also a quick blood stop for nails, which sometimes resist corn starch. Above all keep millet spray as when a budgie will not eat or drink they will usually eat millet spray pre soaked in electrolyte and probiotics
prepared drinking water.

Copy Deborah's sticky on home made electrolyte for emergencies that do not include fungal illnesses. I could go on but you can find further examples Here on TB as you read through the sections. It took me a number of weeks to read through info here on TB but I am glad I took the time as I learned a lot about caring for our beloved little budgies. I found TB years ago when I could not reach a vet during a holiday weekend and found The wonderful staff of TB instead.

Remember to cove basil's cage on three sides and even a sock or plastic bottle filled with hot water and wrapped in a towel and placed near /under /over the cage will provide extra warmth at night or traveling to the vet.
Amazon sells a pet snuggle made of hard plastic that you microwave and it hold constant heat for 8 hours+- and it is portable with no wires. We even use then as foot warmers in our bed. We put one under the hospital cage and cover the cage at night to keep budgie toasty. For long term use day and night we use ceramic heat lamp with reflector that can be aimed at a cage to avoid water dish and allow a place for the bird to move a way from the heat. My husband made me a light pole for different lights out of a very long thick dowel and an old iron umbrella stand base. So we can provide various types of electrical needs to a number of cages at once.
It is not fancy but it gets the job done. best Wishes for Basils return to good health, Jo Ann
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You shared a lot of excellent info for me. Thank-you. I'm taking notes from all these posts to bring with me to the vet this afternoon. I couldn't get an appt for Basil until 5pm. I will be taking the bus, but may end up just paying for a taxi on the way home. (even if it's so expensive for me)

I'm so unsure about taking her as she seems like herself again, even gave me kisses this morning.

It's pretty warm outside, and the bus will be air-conditioned. Should I cover her travel cage in a blanket? I have a cotton one I could use.

I've attached 2 pictures of the bag I'm considering to use to bring her on the bus. (2 buses actually) Her cage lies flat in the bottom, so I can keep the bag open.

- does this bag seems like a good option?
- will the cotton blanket be ok? (to keep her warm enough when on the bus?)
- someone mentioned just keeping her cage covered so maybe she'll fall asleep. Should I let her see me once in a bit to know she's safe? (or just let her relax and hopefully calm down in the cage?

I'll attach one of her smaller toys and leave some millet in the cage..and of course cover the bottom with paper towel, and bring water with me for her. (thanks to the person who mentioned that!)
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The intermittent vomiting is a serious issue to be addressed. get extra med for vomiting to take home with a long shelf life if possible. Bag and blanket are fine leave a corner open for air. she will most likely sleep with the cover on. thank you for taking the long trip to help Basil. try to get prevention issues handled so you have what you need in freezer especially amphoterracin B or possibly try Sodium Benzoate. See paper by Sharmen Hoppes, DVM at the top of illness section in the Sticky part. Read these items until you really have it down and keep in touch with Cathy as she has to watch Budget for the similar problem and she does a great job. main thing is do not let it linger untreated. My vet would not let me see the necropsy report on my budgie. the little I saw was terrible. All of the organ systems were invaded and it never showed in the fecal tests. Megabac is hard to stop and it does bad things to budgies. It makes me sad knowing how much my budgie suffered till it was too late. Sooner is always better in this case. Have your emergency kit ready to catch illness early and remember to see the vet ASAP when Basil is ill Become her health expert.
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