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I have 2 baby budgies approximately a 3 weeks old which I have been hand raising for 2 weeks since their mother died. In the beginning I was very inexperienced and don't believe I was heating their formula enough for the first day or so. Also they were cold and shivering by the time they were brought to me for help. This led to slow crop which has been slowly worsening but all the sudden tonight they seem much worse. Their crops are not emptying normally and even after 8 hrs overnight still have about 1/2 crop full. Their crops seem very large, and continue to swell after each feed.
I tried puréed papaya yesterday and acv today but now their crops are even bigger, (weighing them forward when they walk). The veins over it are darker and larger than before and after the last feed the formula and water separated in the crop!! And is just sitting there. They look very uncomfortable and full. The one is chirping quietly non stop while it sleeps. And they both have small tremoring after the feed. You can't see them shaking but I can feel it when they are in my hands.
Please help I am very worried.

FYI they are fed tropican hand rearing formula and are kept in an enclosed small animal cage heated to be 90

Again it won't let me add more than one picture per reply so I will be adding individually.

This is before a feed (4 hours after eating). They are starving but as you can see crops are not empty.

After feeding.
This baby still wanted to eat as if starving. This is also the one in which the formula separated in the crop.

Baby 2 after feeding
This one stopped eating on it own. It was also the first one to develop slow crop.
It is a few days younger than baby 1.
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Old 08-01-2015, 11:15 PM
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I'm flagging your thread for the breeders who are on staff but not everyone is in the same time zone. At the current time, none of the breeders on the TB staff are on-line.

Hopefully as soon as someone logs in they will see the flagged thread and respond to you.

I wish there was some way I could help but I just don't have either the knowledge or the experience.
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I have no expertise at all in this area. Have your babies crops ever been completely empty since this all started? From things I am reading there are a number of reasons for slow crop, and you have already mentioned a couple of them....formula not staying together, formula temperature too cold. Maybe you can consult an emergency avian vet by phone and see what they think about getting the crop's empty. Hopefully if they are still pooping regularly it's a sign they are getting the nourishment they need to survive....
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Here is a picture of a crop.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...b3bAIeR3HQWnDA

Google some pictures of healthy budgie crops compare them to your babies. I am sorry I can not do any more to help.
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I am sorry that you are in such a tough situation

Are you absolutely sure the chicks are 3 weeks in age? From the look of it I would never have guessed that they were that old, but rather more like 1 1/2-2 weeks in age at most given there development. If they are 3 weeks of age there is definitely more going on here than just a formula temperature issue or even sour crop, although that is definitely a real possibility as well given how slow their crops are emptying.

There are a number of things that can cause the problems you are seeing, but most often the problem is a result of a viral or other infection that is effecting the chicks digestion, which then leads to stunted growth.

Although I have never had a problem like what you are experiencing, I can say for an almost complete certainty that continuing to feed the chicks formula when their crop does not empty completely is likely doing more harm than good, and I would stop feeding solids until you can get the crop moving.

Over feeding can also cause the crop muscles to stretch out so far beyond their normal strength that they can no longer force food up and into the stomach, which can only be corrected with surgery and/or a crop support. How much have you been feeding them at each feeding on average?

Do you have an avian vet in your area? I am afraid that in a situation like this it is going to be essential to get help if you want to save these chicks lives. You need to find out what is causing the stunted growth and the digestion problems in the first place, and to do so will require tests and a hands on diagnosis.

An avian vet will also be able to remove all of the old/rotting food from the chicks crops and hopefully get them moving again without aspirating the chicks, which will cause instant death if you try to do so on your own without experience.

So to recap the questions are:
How much have you been feeding them at each feeding on average?
How much have you been feeding them at each feeding on average?

And also:

Are the chicks still pooping?
When was the last time their crops emptied completely?
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Without experience you are not going to be able to fix this problem on your own I am afraid. The babies have crop stasis and the more you feed them the worse the problem is getting. The horrible truth is the babies are starving. Food is only broken down in the crop and needs to get to the gizzard to be digested. With the crop stopped like that the food is just staying there and not getting to the gizzard at all or very little is getting through. That is why they are crying for food all the time, they are hungry but they cannot digest what they have.

They really need an avian vet or someone experienced in hand raising that can use a crop needle to try to remove some of the food from the overfull crops. This is not an easy process for most people to achieve. I have done it and without the specialized syringe it is most difficult. The special syringe is shaped like a V and has two plungers and you basically put some air in with one and draw the excess food out with the other. I have done it with a normal syringe and you have to make sure the end of the crop needle is not touching the bottom or sides of the crop as you will just suck up the skin inside the crop.

That being said if their crops are partly emptying overnight do not feed them at all in the morning, if anything give them a few drops of hot water (at least 40C which is about 100F) and massage the crop to try to break up the food at the bottom to make it slightly easier to digest, some foods when they separate can go rock hard in the bottom of the crop. Be very careful doing this and don't push the food up the crop as it can easily get into the windpipe and be aspirated. If possible then let the crops completely empty. If that happens then only give them a very small amount of very runny food with some papaya in it and a pinch of Dextrose (powdered glucose). Papaya is great to assist in digestion and the dextrose will give them energy. You can just give them very runny papaya heated to 40C (that is papaya mixed with water and made very runny). Sorry about giving the temperature in Celcius as that is what we work on over here and I sometimes get confused with Farenheit. So say give them half a ml of food and let that digest and then feed them the same again. Continue feeding very small amounts and allowing the crop to empty each time.

Crop stasis can be caused by a number of reasons. Food too cold, too hot or too thick are the main ones. Remember in hot weather the bird will draw more fluid out of the crop so in hot weather food should be fed slightly runnier than in colder weather. Just like you drink more fluids in hot weather they will too, and as you are feeding them you have to compensate for this. If you are not using a thermometer to test the food you should immediately go and get a food thermometer. Testing on the wrist or lip is just not good enough. I have been hand raising for 20 years and I still use a thermometer for every feeding, I never trust my instinct on the temperature of the food.

I hope this helps somewhat but I really strongly suggest you try to see an avian vet about this or someone very experienced in hand raising that has experience in this problem. Preferably someone that has experience with using a crop needle. They can be very dangerous implements with the inexperienced.
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with the other posters. A vet would be your best bet. I've read that you can flush a crop if necessary if you get a chick with yeast or sour crop (its almost like massaging the crop in a way that all the food comes out). I have never had to do this myself (unless i was massaging air bubbles from a budgies crop). the crop would also have to be flushed out. but this might be best if you leave it to a vet Sour and Slow Crop Remedies - Just Cockatiels!
that is a very good website with good info (they have home remedies for crop problems, but I do think you would be better of with an avian vet) this site explains all about different crop problems, etc, even though its about cockatiels, these problems could happen with budgies as well.
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If you are feeding them till they stop, then you are over feeding them. They will eat until they are ready to pop.. Lindsey has an excellent page on her site to tell you exactly how much to feed. I'd follow what she does and see if they get better. If you are over feeding, then it would take them longer to process the food.
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If you are feeding them till they stop, then you are over feeding them. They will eat until they are ready to pop.. Lindsey has an excellent page on her site to tell you exactly how much to feed. I'd follow what she does and see if they get better. If you are over feeding, then it would take them longer to process the food.
I'd just like to add, you can feed until their crops look the right size, or anywhere from 3-6 ml depending on how full their crops are already
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