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Old 09-30-2015, 02:52 AM
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Default Crop yeast infection drug - Nizoral side effects???

Hi. I took baby bird to a vet out of state and were at a hotel really late and he's acting really strange. It's late and were in middle of nowhere don't know what to do so scared. The vet gave him nizoralfor severe fungus and crop infection. Have him crushed one tab in one quart of water and I gave him four droplets by mouth couple hours ago and baby is acting crazy climbing the cage walls and severely hyper screaming repeatedly and won't stop hanging on the walls and constantly pacing. Could this be a severe side effect of Nizoral. No one will answer phone and help me. I'm so worried it's three in morning and can't sleep in hotel he's been like this for hours. What to do can please research and tell me if it's side effect normal or itching or something.


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Old 09-30-2015, 03:32 AM
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No expert here just to see what will be the side effects to my surprise I find a long list of side effects and this drug is discontinued in UK from November-2013

In my opinion if there is a side effect only a vet can help
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Oh no can you sooth him by holding him, it could be possibly hurting his intestine. has he pooped since being given it? I will see what I can find.
From what I read about this it should not be given to severely ill birds, I am so sorry for Babies predicament he has been though so much pain and discomfort. Surely the vet has an after hours number, or Emergency. Have you got a phone book ? Try ringing an after hours Emergency vet, at least they can tell you what might be wrong and if there is anything you can do for him. Will he drink?
I feel so for you and Baby, at this stage I feel he has been through so much, perhaps you need to help him to find peace. I know you have tried an endless amount of processes he has been amazing but he sounds like he is in pain. I pray you find some positives and strength.
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Still in hotel only got three hours sleep. Haven't waked baby but he's alive. The vet said he just had crop yeast,fungus infection due to the other vet constantly starting and stopping him on antibiotics. He said avian gastric yeast, megabacteria was better it seemed it's just the fungal infection causing him to be nauseous is why he didn't want to eat. Also has arthritis in foot but not infected at this point. Said gram stain showed some gram negative bacteria in his fecal samples too but thought mainly he just needed the yeast fungus infection caused by improper antibiotics s said he just needed mostly that to heal right now and that he seemed in relatively good condition otherwise. I asked if he thought he needed to be put to sleep and he said definitely not at this point just needed the fungus healed. He also said he didn't think he had p,d,d and that it was all due to this. But he can't seem to handle the medication or else he drank too much. The doctor was very positive. I don't know what to think what alternative to treat the fungus yeast infection. He's not in today and no emergencies. Anyone had a bird that got yeast infection from too much antibiotics? What did they use for treatment???
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Eta the vet was very positive yesterday but can't reach him yet for info on side effects and alternatives as to what happened last night.
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Well, if the drug was discontinued in the UK, I'd be hesitant to continue using it. I'd pick up some Bragg apple cider vinegar and mix it in his water, without the drugs. Try giving him the diluted ACV with a dropper. The acidity should help with the yeast. Did the vet flush his crop at all? I'll look into some alternatives until you can get a proper response from the vet.

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I don't have a budgie that was treated for yeast, but I was treated for it several years ago with this same drug. I was told that because of what they termed "die off" symptoms, I would feel especially bad the first few days of treatment, but not to stop taking the drug. That may be what is going on with your budgie. Yeast and fungal infections can become quite serious, therefore I would talk to the vet before I stopped his recommended treatment.
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It would be quite possible to get a yeast/fungal infection after antibiotics. Antibiotics not only kill the bad bacteria but they kill good bacteria as well which keeps the gut healthy. As I have said before the normal treatment in Australia for that is Nystatin in an oral form.

Norval tablets were taken off the market in Australia in 2013.
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I had typed up a long update a few days ago and lost it when the site logged me out, so I won't post the long version for now. Baby Bird's been back on Nizoral for about 5 days now since the vet insisted he start on it or else he could die from the yeast infection. So far no more side effects from it this time. They think that he might have even been acting extremely strange that night as I noted in the original post - possibly due to particularly bad arthritis at that time - pain in his one foot - not due to age but from an old injury (caused by a previous vet).

They also gave me Terbinafine liquid aka Lamisil. Has anyone heard of this? But I can only use it or Nizoral, not both. So far I'm sticking with the Nizoral (ketoconazole). The vet noted that he had increased respiratory rate and seemed to breathe faster than normal. I kept asking what that could be and he said he didn't know unless it was due to pain or stress. But it wasn't stress, because he still does it at rest (no gaping, no tail bobbing, and no open-mouthed breathing, though. Just visibly faster breathing). The only thing I can think of is that his yeast infection could be also in the respiratory tract perhaps and in that case I truly hope the Nizoral/ketoconazole can treat it.

Okay, so the only other problem of note recently is what I mentioned previously about Baby straining to poop. I didn't think too much of it at the time, but it's still happening. Is there such a thing as a budgie having "hemorrhoids"? His diet has been restricted due to the megabacteria/macrorhabdus - restricted to only seeds and millet, no fruits, nothing with sugars or starches, etc. And a previous vet squeezed him really hard a couple weeks ago to the point of substantial bruising - so maybe it factors in like it caused a rupture. Well, today as I was stooping down, I noticed a small red ball or skin that opened and protruded a bit when he pooped. I felt his rectum vent area and also the vent of my other bird to compare and they both have small - very small lumps outside their vent and covered by feathers. Maybe that is normal, I don't know, but Baby Bird's area felt a bit lumpier/larger. But I don't really see the red lump or ball or skin except when he poops.

So either hemorrhoid or prolapse or rupture I can only assume. But what would I do in that case? I just got back from out of town a couple days ago and can't return to the avian vet in Ohio for at least another month. We're moving next month from this mold-infested house that's been making us all sick including Baby. I will then be about 30 miles away from my new avian vet, but can't see him until after moving. And so far he seems to be a really good vet, he's just very busy and very difficult to reach, doesn't really like to give advice over the phone unless seeing the animal. And so I'm asking you guys if you know of anything about a bird having hemorrhoids or prolapse of the rectum when straining to poop? If so, what home remedies could I do to help him along? Prep H? Something in case he's constipated? (But what would that be if he can't have fruits except citrus?)

He seemed to be a bit better today otherwise - more of an appetite, more vocal, not sleeping excessively, etc which is all great. I just don't want him to have yet another problem or emergency without info to know how to deal with it. I tried searching the forum and online but very little to be found about hemorrhoids or prolapse except in the case of female birds being egg bound and Baby is a boy.

Thank you for your time. xx

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Could a mod please merge this thread with my other one to keep it all updated together? Thank you so much! :-)

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