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Old 10-16-2015, 08:42 PM
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I have a male budgie, Pudge, that I got off Craigslist. His owner didn't notice that he had whole seed in his droppings. I discovered it and then later discovered he was itching throughout the night as well. I've seen two vets and had several tests done. One culture revealed an enterococcus bacteria. He remained on antibiotics for weeks but it never cleared the symptoms which, I guess, must have been caused by something else. The vets ruled out giardia and cryptosporidium. Has anyone had experience with this?? My poor little fella itches all night long. I'll probably have to put him down soon but first I'm going to try x-rays as a last resort for discovering the issue. I don't know, of course, but based on my online reading- I'm thinking it might be cancer or a liver or kidney issue. ???

If anyone has had experience with anything like this- I'm all ears for your advice!

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I am so sorry to hear of your budgies predicament, was it avian vets you took him to?
Firstly is he itching all over ,or around his vent area, or eyes , beak head?
What is his weight ? Does he seem to be a constant weight or losing it? I am sorry for all the questions.
he will need to be kept warm, cover his cage on three sides and get some Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother in it. Place a couple of drops of this in his drinking water every couple of days. What does he eat besides seed?
It might pay to get some Ivemectin and give him a dose of this as well, this gets rid of mites, or parasites, it is a drop behind the head treatment and is not expensive to buy. What colour are his droppings, Is he having poop stuck to his vent, or runny green ones? I hope to hear back soon from you regarding the questions.
I am also moving your thread to The Emergency section .
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Default Whole seed in droppings - itching all night long

Hi Pretty Boy,

Thanks for your reply! His itching seems to be in his upper body and maybe some on the feet?? Not on the abdomen or vent. His droppings don't stick and the color right now is sort of a light yellow/brown- but it may be because he's been eating quinoa and flax seed as a supplement. His urates are white. His diet right now is mainly seed with some Harrison's and Zupreem pellets, eucalyptus, quinoa/rice, flax/chia and a very little broccoli. He also likes the orange mineral block. His weight has been good but he had lost some weight recently. I think it's because I tried introducing a new seed too quickly putting 2/3rds of the new seed with 1/3 of his old seed instead of the other way around. Since then I've been giving him plenty of flax and some sesame seed to try and help beef him up. I need to weigh him again to see if it's working. He's very jovial throughout the day but he never takes naps and I assume it's because of the itchiness he feels. He doesn't "scratch" very much during the day like he does at night- but I've noticed he'll rub his head on toys and I think some of his preening is done to alleviate an itch. But his feathers and skin look good so it's weird. Currently- the vet has me spraying him with an apple cider vinegar/water mixture and Avix Soothing Spray. It helps a little. I keep the house very warm and have a heat lamp to use when needed.

He's been given invermectin by my vet to rule out mites and so forth. We're all at a loss. My vet was convinced he had giardia but after weeks and weeks of the antibiotic with NO change- we stopped the antibiotic. I'm not ready to put him down because he's happy during the day and has just bonded with my female. [She's also sick (by the way) but that's a whole 'nother story. ]

Thanks again for your reply! I hope a solution can be found!

P.S. My vet is an avian vet and I've also consulted with a board certified avian vet who's also seen and tested the birds.
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Unfortunately, I don't have any advice I can offer for your poor little fellow.

Sending lots of love, healing energy and positive thoughts in hopes the cause of the itchiness can be found and treated.
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Thank you for your kind thoughts, FaeryBee. I'll keep researching and talking with my vet about what to do next and maybe we'll hit on something. I can only hope!!
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Perhaps you can rub his feet and legs very gently with some olive oil, this might help with the itchiness on his feet. Can you possibly post a picture of him for us to see him?
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Sorry to hear your birds are ill. You mentioned that tests have been done, were blood tests done or just tests on the droppings?
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Hi Cody,

One of the vets took blood but only to look at the white blood cell count which seemed to be normal. That's all that's been done for blood testing I think. I've been wondering about that and why the vet hasn't looked at liver enzymes, etc. But I'm not a vet so I don't know if there's a reason why...? But this has gone on for months with him itching like this so I'm feeling really frustrated and lost about what to do. I faxed my vet some questions on Monday sort of asking for an action plan and am hoping she'll call me with answers. And I went ahead and scheduled him for x-rays in case she says to do them. We'll see what she says!

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Does your bird get out of cage time and come into contact with man made materials such as carpet, drapes, furniture ? If so, he could very possibly be having a reaction to something in his environment. Prayer's that you can find the source of his discomfort...
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Hi Cody,

One of the vets took blood but only to look at the white blood cell count which seemed to be normal. That's all that's been done for blood testing I think. I've been wondering about that and why the vet hasn't looked at liver enzymes, etc. But I'm not a vet so I don't know if there's a reason why...? But this has gone on for months with him itching like this so I'm feeling really frustrated and lost about what to do. I faxed my vet some questions on Monday sort of asking for an action plan and am hoping she'll call me with answers. And I went ahead and scheduled him for x-rays in case she says to do them. We'll see what she says!

Thanks!
I would ask the vet about at least doing a CBC, that would give more info on the birds condition. Here is a link to something my vet wrote about various lab tests and what they tell you. I hope you get some answers.
https://nilesanimalhospital.com/files...ed-version.pdf
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