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Old 11-20-2015, 01:41 PM
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Hello and how are you and your budgie(s) doing?

I apologize in advance if this post isn't suppose to be in the ER forms, I'm a new member looking for a guide to help my budgie and I.

Charlie, my male Cobalt Budgerigar has been favoring his left foot. Although when I offer my hand to stand on, he using that left foot. On the bottom of that left foot seems to have a circle of light yellow with some skin to the side. On the right foot, there is no yellow, but the same circle. He rests his left foot even when he is not relaxed. He does though put it down if he needs to move or correct himself. He does use his left foot, don't get me wrong. He has a wooden perch. We will be getting him a heated perch soon. Is this yellow dot normal?

On top of that, his feces has been dark green. They look different than normally.

I have attached pictures. In one of the pictures, with the obvious flash, it seems dark yellow. The yellow is not that noticeable. (Please excuse my hand in two of the photos.)

Maybe I'm over thinking this, I'm known to do that, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
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Hello Anya, welcome to TB forums.
Did Charlie have an accident recently? He might have fallen from somewhere and injured his foot. Or he might have got accidentally hurt during flying. Did you take him to a vet?

Are you feeding him too much greens because these can cause green poops in budgies. But if this is not the case, then it's different. It might be Trichomoniasis for which the treatment is ronidazole/metronidazole.
Other expert members may provide solutions to your query more satisfactorily.
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Anya,

What kind of perches do you have in Charlie's cage?
Do you have sandpaper covers over dowels?
Sandpaper covers on perches and/or the cage grates are very bad for budgies feet.

Charlie has bumblefoot and needs to be seen by an Avian Vet for treatment. In the meantime, you can make Chamomile Tea and bring it to room temperature. Then hold your baby so his feet are dangling into the tea and let them soak that way for a few minutes. If you prefer, you can use Epsom Salts in water rather than the tea.
Soaking his feet should help with some of the inflammation until you can get him into see the Avian Vet.

Make sure Charlie has a good variety of perches of differing width and diameters. Natural wood multi branches, grapevine perches, etc.











Please give us an update with regard to Charlie's condition in this thread after his appointment.

Sending much love and positive thoughts for a full and speedy recovery.
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Thank you both SO much! He's currently resting his foot. I got him with his wings clipped, so since they are still growing in, we made him a way to get up. There's covered wire going from the floor, up to his cage at an angle. Maybe that's what caused it, covered wire? I've been helping him up and down from his cage instead of him climbing. We'd thought it'd be OK since it's not too rough. If that's the case, I'll take it down immediately.

I like the idea of the Chamomile Tea. The tea bags we have remotely close to Chamomile Tea is Chamomile Tea infused with honey right into the tea bag. That shouldn't be used, correct? Strictly Chamomile Tea? I won't take the chance until I know. I'll use warm-room temperature water for now.

Charlie has this smooth wooden small perch he uses daily. He also has a colorful, not as smooth, wooden ladder. He has a wooden weaved nest near the top right, (if you were looking inside his cage from the outside,) corner of his cage. The wooden weaved nest is currently covered with blue fabric to keep him warm during the nights.

I'm still keeping an eye on his feces. It's still dark green-ish.

Thank you for the positive thoughts! <3 I'm currently looking into a new Avian Vet we may go to.

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Anya,

You should remove the nest and the fabric from the cage. Budgies don't use "nests" per se -- they perch in branches of trees to sleep.
The fabric can cause a problem if Charlie's toenails get caught in it and if he ingests the fibers, it can lead to impaction of the crop.

What is the wire going from the floor to Charlie's cage covered with? (Sorry, I'm confused on that) If it is simply what is called "powder coated wire" like cages are made of, then that is fine and isn't the cause of the problem.

The "smooth" small perch Charlie sits on -- does the wood look similar to this?



If so, that is a dowel perch and Charlie would be better off with the ones like I showed you in the other post. When the main perch a budgie uses is a dowel, then all the pressure from the foot is always in the same place when the bird perches. If the perch has differing diameters throughout it, then depending on where the budgie sits, his weight will fall on different areas of his feet at different times.

Don't use the chamomile teabag with honey infusion. Instead, you can dissolve 1/2 teaspoon of regular salt in some warm water and then when the water comes to room temperature, use that as a soak for now.
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I deeply appreciate you taking time out of your life to respond to Charlie and I.

I was away treating to Charlie. I ran his foot under some Hydrogen peroxide, rinsed and had his feet sit in some luke warm water. After that I put triple antibiotic treatment on his left foot. I dried him off as best as I could without stressing him out too much and he's currently sitting on his perch. (He dislikes baths.)

Yes, his perch is the laminated type. I should get him one that's more realistic to a real tree branch? Will do! Although he doesn't quite enjoy to go inside his nest, he does like to sit on top of it. Should I still remove it? I'll remove any stray fabric from inside his cage.

The wire going from the floor to his cage, I believe, is the type you would put in walls? Or some sort. It isn't as tough as the wire on the cage itself, but more soft and flimsy.
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You need to be very careful using hydrogen peroxide unless it is diluted, as far as I remember it can cause serious burns to the skin.
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I wish the vet told me this! Thank you for the reply, that's extremely important!

He seems fine right now. A little more happier than earlier.
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Pete is absolutely correct, Hydrogen peroxide is not longer recommended to use on open wounds as it damages the healthy tissue. Sterile Saline Solution is all that is needed to rinse off a wound.

Since your budgie is a male, you can leave the nest in the cage as long as you remove all of the fabric.

Could you perhaps put a bird ladder from the floor to the cage door instead of the wire you are currently using? I don't know how high your cage is from the floor.

It would be best to use the types of perches I recommended in the previous post.

Have you been able to make an appointment for Charlie with your Avian Vet?

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
When you rely on unskilled individuals, you delay effective treatment. This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recover than it would have if you
seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

Having your new budgie examined by an Avian Vet allows you to develop a good relationship with the vet in case your bird needs care for an injury or illness in the future. Additionally, it is always helpful for the vet to have a baseline for your bird to refer to should it need future treatment.
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Additional fabric has been removed. I will be getting him a heated perch in addition to the layers of cage coverings he has on his cage. One doesn't do since he has shown signs of being cold.

A bird ladder bought from the store is way too short to use. The cage is pretty high up off the ground. Perhaps two cabinets hight worth off the ground. Although we were thinking of building him a ladder to reach from the floor up. Since smooth wood isn't the best for their feet, we thought we'd sand it and then make some artificial dents and what-not into the wood. Yes I'll be getting him a new perch tomorrow morning.

No, she is busy tomorrow, but hopefully I can make it an ER appointment and get him in ASAP. His left foot is swollen. How can I reduce this ASAP and make him as comfortable as possible for tomorrow?
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