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Old 02-01-2016, 06:39 AM
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We have just got back from a holiday and one of our birds (2 1/2), Aussie, appears to have a brown 'scab' on his cere. See photo. Pretty sure it wasn't there a couple of weeks ago. I am very concerned about taking him to the vet as his last vet visit in April (highly regarded Avian vet) ended very badly - he had a 'fit' in the vet hand and ended up worse than when we went in. He came good after a week. but appears to react very badly to handling. We avoid handling him. My feeling is I will only take him to vet at last resort as treatment can be more dangerous for him than complaint! Hoping some members here may recognise this and provde some advice.

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Apart from the 'scab'/'growth' he seems ok - bright, eating, talking, flying, good feathers etc.
He has a companion - 6 month old Skye (boy) - Skye has a habit of bullying Aussie away from the food bowls so we left plenty around for multiple options. It is possible though Aussie ate less than normal although he looks ok.
They are largely fed a seed only diet. I realise this is a mistake and seeking to correct now by gradually changing food offered. Could it be a vitamin A deficiency causing this? And if so, how to fix?
We have been home 4 days and I have given him some vitamin supplement in his water (once) plus started feeding him basil, parsley, cooked carrots etc. He is not a big eater so tasting only. We took a photo before and after 4 days - not easy to compare but we think may have got a little bigger. Certainly no better.

Your thoughts on cause and treatments much appreciated before I risk a visit to the vet.

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Old 02-01-2016, 09:19 AM
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Hi there,

To me it seems your Aussie got part of his cere bitten off or the cere has suffered extensive damage during an accident, like a night fright for example.
Still I'm leaning more towards a bite that pierced and took off the fleshy part of the cere.
The affected area seems to be mostly healed and now has that brownish appearance.
Also if there is bullying, this will further raise the chances of a vicious attack done by Skye. And when it comes to these cases, immediate and permanent separation is needed. You will have to house your boys in different cages.

Be aware that I'm only guessing, I'm not a vet. If you notice the area is growing in size, then it's really recommended that you take Aussie to an avian vet and have the growth looked at and tested.

I'm wishing your Aussie a steady and full recovery.
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I'm inclined to agree with Ana -- it looks to me as if Aussie's cere has been bitten by Skye.

I'd definitely keep a very close eye on the two and if there is any bullying going on I completely agree with immediate and permanent separation.
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Thankyou Aluz and FaeryBee

My eldest son (13) had thought that too. We watch them closely while at home with the biggest cause for fighting being nighttime and who sleeps where! Skye is trying to take over Aussie's swing. Skye has a second swing but of course wants the one Aussie has had since inception. While we are home we watch them putting to bed and make sure they both settle OK with any 'kakking' or 'dophin flippering' dealt with immediately. While we were away they had the run of the lounge to themselves and daily visits from our friend to top up food and water. Its possible they fought and our friend did not notice Aussie's wound as she wouldn't have got that close to budgie. I am amazed though that Skye could do that - his bite is not even strong enough yet to shred a basil leaf (or our finger) whereas, on the other hand, Aussie could do a punchhole through our thumb if he wanted to (ow! - we listen to his warnings)

I hope I don't have to permanently seperate the boys. I bought Skye to keep Aussie company (a companion). They have moment they are beautiful together (kissing and talking) and flying like crazy around the house (ok - skye is chasing Aussie). And much of the time they have their own spots to sit, their own mirrors and they seem to cohabitate well. I am hoping I can intervene those times Skye gets bossy until he settles down into a more mature bird and/or learns new behaviour by our intervention.

Thanks for your help. I'll keep monitoring and I am going to top up their Vitamin A as a precaution with a water supplement while I improve their diet (just in case). I will let you know how goes.

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"Their own mirrors"??? This might be part of your problem.....Skye might be protective of her budgie in her mirror and doesnt want to share it. You might want to take the mirrors out and see what happens. Just my thoughts.
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I agree that the mirrors can potentiate aggressive behaviour and fighting.
Unfortunately, once the barrier has been broken (when it comes to real damage done in a fight), it's just not safe to have two birds sharing the same cage.
And if the dominant behaviour is noticed during out of cage time, then the birds (in this case, budgies) will also need to have their separate time.
Bullying and constant chasing will only cause further problems and can really impact not just the attacked bird's physical health, but also its mental health.
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Thanks Guys

Points noted re mirrors. I'm not 100% sure yet it was a cut or, if it was, whether it was done in a fight or some sort of misadventure. We were on holidays. I'm going to give Skye the benefit of the doubt and watch closely. Skye is only 6 months old and we have had him for only 3 months - he is cheeky and energetic and really wants most of all to engage with Aussie - who is more used to the company of his mirrors.

I am home a lot of the day at the moment so can watch them and ensure they are separated when no one home (one locked in cage, one out). So I'll see how it goes.
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All good now guys! Brown spot gone. Scab dropped off? Cere looks good under. Thanks to all for advice. Vicki
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I just saw this thread.. You know I've seen budgies fighting for various reasons every time.. I promised to myself that next time I see that, I will separate them instantly. Sometimes it doesn't matter if their sexes are the same or the opposite, it's just that some budgies are more dominant and want to show it by bullying their partners. If you have a spare cage please, separate them. Both will be happier after this.
I am happy that the brown spot is gone and I am sure that he's going to be ok. As long as "someone" doesn't bother him anymore.
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I'm glad to hear Aussie seems fine now.
Please monitor your two budgies very carefully from here on out and house them separately if there is any indication of bullying.

I'm moving your thread over to the follow-up section of the forum at this time.
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