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Hi, I am quite new to this, but I really need help with my budgie Kiwi.
She will be 3 in six months and lives in a cage with a male budgie. They mainly have seed and fresh veg/ fruit diet.

She has been having watery droppings for about a week, but she was acting very normal, playing, chirping and eating normally. I thought it was due to some greens I've been giving them. She has always had a bit more watery and greenish color poop, ever since I got her. It was never a problem, she was acting the same as the other bird, maybe a bit less active, but I thought it's down to the fact that she's female.
A few days ago she was acting very sleepy and I noticed some undigested seed in her poop. I got worried and started to mix her water with cider vinegar, to see if it improves. It didn't do much so I ordered probiotics. After two days there was no improvement and she got worse.

She bobbs her tail a little and her breathing seems a bit hard, like she moves up and down a bit when she's breathing. But again, she was like this from the day I got her, and I thought it's normal and just her nature. She's been alright for the past 2 years so I never had a need to take her to the Vet.

When I woke up on Sunday and saw that she looks very weak and very sleepy I tried to offer her some food. She wasn't interested in food at all. Her droppings got worse, even more watery. I booked an emergency appointment to the Vet and was there in a few hours.

The vet examined her and said that she might have an egg, as she was breathing a bit heavily and she sensed something hard around her lower stomach area. She said it could also be tumour or some kind of inflammation. The only way to find out and treat appropriately would be having an x ray which requires anaesthesia and it has its risks, especially as she's quite weak atm.

I am very scared about an X-ray and had a bad feeling about it. I said I will wait one more day to see how she gets on. Kiwi got prescribed some antibiotics, pain killers and calcium.

I set up a hospital cage for her and separated from the other bird (which I think is a bit stressful for both of them). I've been giving her medicine and the next day she looked much better, she ate from my hand- broccoli, pear, seeds and millet. She was also chirping and even moving around a bit, but still was quite sleepy.

I put her in bathroom and ran a hot shower, so she is warm and comfortable. The vet said it might relax her to lay egg if she has one. I also got a nest as advised. I have feeling that it's not an egg, as she had a bit of these symptoms back in January but without watery droppings, I was also thinking she has an egg as she was kinda expanding her womb and sitting in a strange position. It passed in a few days.

Today she is the same- eats a bit if I give it to her. She preens herself and even chirped a bit. She doesn't seem as weak. I have uploaded a photo of her latest droppings. The only thing that concerns me is that she sits with her eyes closed so much and was even shivering at some point, even if I keep the room super warm. She doesn't move around, just sits on her favorite toy and occasionally has a drink or eats something. She was on the bottom of the cage eating sandpaper. I heard it might help their digestion? Maybe that's the reason she does that.

I am still very worried as I'm not sure what to do. I want her to get better, but not sure if this medicine will be enough for her. I am also scared of going through with an X-ray, as I would hate myself if she wouldn't wake up from it.

Do you think she has some kind of illness? Could it be temporary?

I appreciate your help!!!!
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Welcome to the forums!

I'm sorry your budgie has been sick... Did you take her to an avian vet specialist?
When budgies are about to lay an egg, they have very characteristics poops, they are massive in size and have more of a flattened out appearance.
The ones in the photo you posted don't correspond to this.

Having a nesting area available for her is not the best option.
Also sandpaper is harmful for budgies and can cause sores on their delicate feet, it's a misconception to believe sandpaper helps with digestion, this can in fact lead to serious digestive problems, like crop impaction, for example.
Please remove the sandpaper and don't offer her grit for the very same reasons.

If you didn't take your budgie to an avian vet specialist then I urge you to book an appointment. It's imperative that your budgie is properly examined in order to have the right diagnosis and treatment plan.

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Thanks for your reply!

Ok, I'll remove the nest and sandpaper. They never really walk on the paper, as they are always on the perches. I just use it cause it makes it easier to clean the cage by changing those sheets constantly. This was the first time I saw Kiwi doing this.

The vet I say was an exotic specialist and has a good experience with birds. That's the best I could find in my town, as all the others are just a regular ones.
She needs to do an X-ray to have a diagnosis. Is it really that risky to put a bird under anesthesia?

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You're very welcome.

Instead of the sandpaper you can use regular newspaper to line the bottom of the cages.

Unfortunately, there are risks to anaesthesia, especially on such small birds that are already debilitated.

Did the exotics vet analysed the poops to check if there is a potential bacterial or fungal infection?
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No, she didn't check that. I think she just jumped to conclusions because she thought it's an egg and prescribed some medicine to see if Kiwi responds to that.

I will finish the course and if she doesn't get better I guess i'll have to ring to arrange some samples to be taken.

She is so happy when she sees the other bird as he's now alone in the big cage. When would you think be the best time to put them back together?
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Until you know what is going on with your budgie, it's best to keep her quarantined as a precaution, just in case the illness is contagious.
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Hi there and to the forums!

I'm so sorry to hear your little girl has been sick! Given the symptoms she's had, I doubt very much that she's carrying an egg. My first though was AGY or Megabacteria, both illnesses which last a while before being detected and cause differences in droppings. They can be tested by a simple fecal test, which you can ask you vet to do.

Alus has given you excellent advice, and I hope you're able to figure out what's wrong with your little girl soon!

Please keep us posted on her condition

Meanwhile, be sure to read through the forum articles and "stickies" (threads "stuck" to the top of each subforum for reference) to ensure you stay up-to-date on the very best of budgie care! If you have any questions afterwards, please do ask as we'd love to help!

Hope to see you around and I hope for the best with your little girl!
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I'm very sorry little Kiwi is so ill.

When there are simply no Avian Vets in your area, it is important to try find an Exotic Pet Veterinarian with extensive experience in small birds. It can take some time and research. I don't know if the vet you saw is experienced with small birds or not. If not, I would suggest you get a second opinion. I agree with Star that the symptoms could be due to AGY.

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Many thanks for all your help. I really appreciate that!

I will try to make an appointment to get her droppings tested.

She woke up this morning and her poop looks a bit better. It is more formed and there is no clear liquid around it.

It's a nice and hot day in Brighton so she just naps now, she looks comfortable.
I fed her a bit of carrot.
Every time she drinks antibiotic water, she keeps rubbing her beak against the perch, I bet she hates the taste.

Also, she got prescribed pain killers to give twice a day in her mouth, but I only did it once, as I was worried of mixing so many drugs together. And it is not as easy to handle her, it stresses her out a lot.
Do you think she might be in pain and should i follow this course?

Thanks for advising.
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The antibiotic is the most important medication at this time.
Many budgies rub their beak/face on their perches after drinking even when they have just pure spring water.

When you talk with your Avian Vet, tell her that handling Kiwi stresses her out and ask if she believes the pain medication is really necessary at this time.

Please be sure to keep us updated on Kiwi's condition.
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