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Old 10-27-2016, 01:29 AM
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My brother woke me up to tell me that 5 minutes prior he had heard a loud falling noise coming from the cage, we went to check on the budgies and I see the female budgie (young, unable to fly properly yet) laying on the floor of the cage, eyes open, legs around the floor bars (like she didn't die immediately, as she was holding on to the bars) and completely frozen. I carefully removed her (the male budgie has been so quiet and kind of shocked ever since but only screamed a little and sorta mumbled a few things) because she is obviously dead and then decontaminated everything just in case. I did not see any feathers or blood anywhere, but only a small pink-ish mark near her neck, don't know if it's because her neck is twisted or if it's some kind of injury, looks like normal skin to me though.

What could've happened? The budgies were well bonded (although they did have little fights from time to time) and the female budige was all healthy, I provided veggies and seed mixes and everything, so I'm really shocked to see her suddenly dead. It is really unlikely to be a disease/virus, so maybe it was like a stroke? Maybe fell to her death? (which is unlikely as well because she was holding onto the floor bars) Any help would be appreciated!

I am desperate for some advice at the moment, like what should I do for the male budgie? And if I want to get him a partner, should I do that right away? I'm mostly busy during the day so that's why I got him a partner, but now that she's dead, how long is it recommended to wait before getting him another partner?

I can post some pictures/a video, but I don't know if I'm allowed to since it may be disturbing to some people...

P.S. this is the second time poor Johnny loses his partner.


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Old 10-27-2016, 05:02 AM
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I have no advice as I'm new to the budgie scene, but I wanted to say how sorry I am. I can't imagine how traumatic that was for you and for your male budgie

My thoughts are with you!
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:41 AM
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I'm very sorry for your loss, you have my deepest sympathies.

From your description and if she hasn't shown any signs of illness, she could have had a sudden heart attack that resulted in her passing.
The skin on the neck area can have a darkish tone when compared to the skin in other body areas and that's due to the thickness of the skin and also to the veins in the area.
How old was your female budgie? Budgies in general will give their first flights just days after reaching 1 month old.
Did she have all primary flight feathers (and main tail feathers) or were her flight feathers clipped?

You did well in disinfecting the cage and accessories as a preventative measure.
Your male budgie needs your support during this time and even though you may not have a lot of time to spend with him, it would be good to give him extra attention, love and care.
If due to your work schedule you are unable to devote enough daily time to your budgie, then you can get another budgie friend for him, before introducing the potential new friend, the new budgie must be quarantined in a separate room and cage away from your budgie.
You will find detailed information on this subject by checking this link: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

This additional link may also be of use: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html
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Old 10-27-2016, 05:56 AM
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I'm very sorry for your loss, you have my deepest sympathies.

From your description and if she hasn't shown any signs of illness, she could have had a sudden heart attack that resulted in her passing.
The skin on the neck area can have a darkish tone when compared to the skin in other body areas and that's due to the thickness of the skin and also to the veins in the area.
How old was your female budgie? Budgies in general will give their first flights just days after reaching 1 month old.
Did she have all primary flight feathers (and main tail feathers) or were her flight feathers clipped?

You did well in disinfecting the cage and accessories as a preventative measure.
Your male budgie needs your support during this time and even though you may not have a lot of time to spend with him, it would be good to give him extra attention, love and care.
If due to your work schedule you are unable to devote enough daily time to your budgie, then you can get another budgie friend for him, before introducing the potential new friend, the new budgie must be quarantined in a separate room and cage away from your budgie.
You will find detailed information on this subject by checking this link: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...necessary.html

This additional link may also be of use: https://talkbudgies.com/new-budgie-ar...o-budgies.html
Thank you. I do know all about quarantining and introducing budgies.
I'm still wondering though, is it recommended if I give the budgie some space before getting him a partner or get him one as soon as I can?

"How old was your female budgie?" About 2-4 months from what it looks.

"Budgies in general will give their first flights just days after reaching 1 month old." I know that, but this particular pet store from which I got the female had almost all budgies with no tail feathers at all as a result of probably mistreating the birds so they dropped their feathers by themselves (predator related stuff, I'm not sure). The bird also had a slightly overgrown beak which wasn't looking like a healthy one either. Absolutely disgusted by that place, not going there again. I cannot really report a pet store, people here in this city don't care that much about animals, and the police are pretty much corrupt.

"Did she have all primary flight feathers (and main tail feathers) or were her flight feathers clipped?" No she did not, she was halfway through replacing them (short tail feathers) because I gave her all needs to become a healthy budgie once again.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:09 AM
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From the information you have provided and if your female was unable to keep her longer tail feathers and the primary flight feathers, then chances are high she had French moult. The fact the other budgies at the pet store had the same problems with the plumage is not good.
French moult is not a curable condition but depending on the severity of the case, with an adequate diet there can be an improvement.
Budgies who suffer with French moult are at higher risk of getting sick because of their weakened immune systems.

Since the quarantine time extends for a period of about one month and half, you can start to look for a new friend for your budgie: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...hy-budgie.html
You don't necessarily have to get him a female, males can bond quite well and be great friends.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:17 AM
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From the information you have provided and if your female was unable to keep her longer tail feathers and the primary tail feathers, then chances are high she had French moult. The fact the other budgies at the pet store had the same problems with the plumage is not good.
French moult is not a curable condition but depending on the severity of the case, with an adequate diet there can be an improvement.
Budgies who suffer with French moult are at higher risk of getting sick because of their weakened immune systems.

Since the quarantine time extends for a period of about one month and half, you can start to look for a new friend for your budgie: https://talkbudgies.com/articles-gene...hy-budgie.html
You don't necessarily have to get him a female, males can bond quite well and be great friends.
Oh, is this condition transmissible from one budgie to another? Or is it only through their offspring?
Also, there's a store I know in a nearby city that's really good, I'll look for a healthy budgie there! (I do want a female, because I plan to breed them in the future).

Thank you very much!
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I'm very sorry for the loss of your female.

I recommend that you learn everything possible about budgies and how to provide them with the best care for their optimal health and well-being before even beginning to consider breeding in the future.

Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility. This requires extensive research and an openness to continual learning.

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It's transmissible to the offspring through breeding and young budgies can also be exposed to the virus. Adult budgies can carry the virus even if the condition is not physically manifested on the plumage.: FRENCH MOULT

Your male budgie has been exposed to the virus, he could be a carrier of French moult. By breeding you will run higher risks of the chicks having this condition.
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