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Old 01-19-2017, 09:57 PM
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I wasn't feeling well today, and made a very large mistake. When I let the adults out to eat their veggies and have play time, I was checking on the last clutch and accidentally left the cage door open when I went to go get a fresh nestbox liner. Another hen invaded the nestbox and attacked the clutch. Most are fine, minir scratches that I washed out with contact solution and applied cornstarch to, and the vet feels they do not need antibiotics.

The last one, though, had its top beak ripped off. The vet recommended euthanasia, but also says that there have been cases where their top beak has grown back or they have learned to live without it, especially in a young chick.

I guess I'm looking for advice. If you were me, would you put the chick down? Would you wait to see if quality of life was ok? Let nature take its course?

I'm so sad this even happened.

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I'm very sorry for this terrible accident which has deeply affected one of your chicks...
Even if there was to be some growth on the beak, that doesn't mean the chick would be able to eat normally and if the chick survives it may be completely dependant on the owner as far as feeding goes and preparing special soft meals for the rest of the little one's life.
Is this chick currently being medicated? If not, then it must in a great deal of pain. Being fed must also be painful...
Are you at this point hand feeding the chick?

In my honest opinion, if the chick is in a lot of suffering and isn't coping well, then ending the suffering with the vet's help would be the kindest thing to do.

I'm praying for the very best for this chick.

Was this hen the one you have talked about in the past that had more of an aggressive temperament? Where were the chicks' parents?

It's not advisable to let the parents out when breeding/raising chicks, because that can take the focus out of them (especially when interacting with the rest of the flock). The idea is for the breeding pair(s) to not be distracted with other activities and to be fully focused on supporting their mates and growing family.
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I agree with everything aluz has said.

The chick needs to be seen by an Avian Vet immediately to determine the extent of the damage and whether the best thing to do is to relieve it's suffering.

Best wishes and please let us know how thing turn out.
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I'm very sorry for this terrible accident which has deeply affected one of your chicks...
Even if there was to be some growth on the beak, that doesn't mean the chick would be able to eat normally and if the chick survives it may be completely dependant on the owner as far as feeding goes and preparing special soft meals for the rest of the little one's life.
Is this chick currently being medicated? If not, then it must in a great deal of pain. Being fed must also be painful...
Are you at this point hand feeding the chick?

In my honest opinion, if the chick is in a lot of suffering and isn't coping well, then ending the suffering with the vet's help would be the kindest thing to do.

I'm praying for the very best for this chick.

Was this hen the one you have talked about in the past that had more of an aggressive temperament? Where were the chicks' parents?

It's not advisable to let the parents out when breeding/raising chicks, because that can take the focus out of them (especially when interacting with the rest of the flock). The idea is for the breeding pair(s) to not be distracted with other activities and to be fully focused on supporting their mates and growing family.
The chick is currently medicated. He/she survived the night, and I'm still unsure what to do. He/she is upright, with the other chicks (as the vet instructed me to do) and very alert. Not crying or showing any symptoms of pain.

The only reason I let my breeding pairs out is that when I first started feeding them veggies, I put it in a large bowl on the top of the cage, and despite offering it in the breeding cages, they don't touch it unless it's from that bowl. So I sit there and let them in and out to eat, and then they bring it back and feed the chicks, and so on and so forth. It has made for easy transitioning for the chicks onto veggies as well.

I was always VERY careful to keep the doors shut and let the parents in and out, and I've had no problems. I feel incredibly guilty that this one moment of inattentiveness resulted in such a catastrophe

This was not the aggressive hen, but rather one of the others that I didn't breed and is still with the flock. She just went into season, but has no mate and I won't be breeding her.

Honestly, I don't know if I will ever breed again. I was doing it just for myself, not to sell them (although I didn't expect clutches of 7+ babies each time!), and this experience has left me feeling very unfit for taking care of them.
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I certainly believe there is a great deal to be said for simply owning budgies and not getting involved in breeding them.
I've had budgies for many, many years and have absolutely no desire to breed for many reasons -
including the many things that can and do go wrong even for the most experienced of breeders.

I hope that your little chick will be fine and will be looking forward to subsequent updates on his condition.
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It's good that the chick is coping well so far and I hope that it continues on that path despite the many challenges ahead.
I'm truly sorry for this accident.
Also you may want to keep an extra eye on the hen that attacked the chicks, because she can also try to harm your other budgies if she is housed with some of them.

If you plan on keeping all of the chicks you have bred so far, and on a matter of logistics (depending on the spare room you have), it may be a good idea to stop with the breeding at least for a while, since you will be taking care of a much larger flock while also being vigilant with all the siblings to prevent unwanted matings between them (even when housed separately by gender, close supervision is needed if they all have out of cage time together).
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How old is the chick? Is mother hen still feeding it?
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It's good that the chick is coping well so far and I hope that it continues on that path despite the many challenges ahead.
I'm truly sorry for this accident.
Also you may want to keep an extra eye on the hen that attacked the chicks, because she can also try to harm your other budgies if she is housed with some of them.

If you plan on keeping all of the chicks you have bred so far, and on a matter of logistics (depending on the spare room you have), it may be a good idea to stop with the breeding at least for a while, since you will be taking care of a much larger flock while also being vigilant with all the siblings to prevent unwanted matings between them (even when housed separately by gender, close supervision is needed if they all have out of cage time together).
Yes, this was intended to be the last clutch anyway, I have already removed the nestboxes in the other breeding cages and I just had this one left.
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How old is the chick? Is mother hen still feeding it?
Approx 3 weeks. Mum is still feeding, and I have been supplementing with a couple of feedings just in case. The chick is eager to feed, and is taking well to the handfeeding; it's just a bit more of a process as his poor little tongue pushes out some of the food. The vet advised me to water it down a bit more than usual to help him swallow.
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The reason I was unsure yesterday was that the vet I saw was not an avian vet (unfortunately, my regular avian vet was off for the past two days and his sub was not very experienced) and fully admitted that she wasn't sure what the best course of action was.

My usual vet saw him today, and said that he has seen budgies grow partial or full beaks back after an injury, and that if I wanted to try and save him that we could wait for a week or so and see. We will keep him medicated and handfed if necessary during that time.

Here is a picture of the poor little guy:


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