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Old 07-17-2017, 02:45 PM
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This is a nightmare! I just finished a 35 day treatment with Sodium Benzoate for my two budgies, Charles and Georgie, and everything seemed to be going better. I even managed to switch them to pellet, but lo and behold, I wake up last Friday to find that Charles vomited all over the cage. My family and I felt that perhaps he had an upset stomach from the being switched to pellets cold turkey, so we decided to wait, but when I found that he vomited again next morning, we took him to the vet immediately. She was an exotics vet, there are no avian vets around here unfortunately. Well, she confirmed that Charles was sick with something, and said he seemed to be vitamin deficient (judging by the absence of papillae inside his mouth (?). She then presented me with a treatment and diagnostic plan that totaled $1,000. I asked if we could go with just one test for now, and opted for the fecal smear.

The vet said she found some gram negative bacteria and flagellates (protozoa) in the feces, and said that he should be put on metronidazole, an antibiotic, and nystatin.

I opted to give him Ronidazole, Amoxicillin, and MegaPlus (similar to megabac-s, but it contains Nystatin in addition to Amphotericin-B), since I had all 3 at home in the fridge (in powder form).

Took Charles home and started him and his cagemate Georgie on all 3 meds (ronidazole in the drinking water and syringing MegaPlus and Amoxi). After the vet visited, he couldn't eat or drink, but tried to eat a little bit. The next day, he seemed all perky, ate alot, and even flew around a few times (despite my protests) and was all energetic and even restless.

He did not vomit last night, but his poo consists of urates and slimy watery feces. In fact, I wouldn't call them feces, it's just dark green goo. Also, he alternates between napping and being lethargic and being uber energetic, to the point where he begs to be let out of the cages, flies around a bunch, and if we keep him in the cage he throws himself to the floor and starts chewing up the paper lining.

What in the world is going on with him? I know it's barely the 3rd day he is on his meds, but shouldn't there be some improvement with his feces?

It's just one thing after another. Unfortunately, when I contacted the vet with questions, the receptionist said she refuses to make any other suggestions without further diagnostics, which includes a $300 blood test and $200 x-ray. She even refused to give a prescription for reglan to stop the vomiting when I called her just a few hours after the vet visit. What gives?

Now, per the vet, Charles has crop-stasis, supposedly from candida, but that's only a guess since we didn't do a crop swab. But since he had gram negative bacteria and protozoa in his feces, perhaps that's the actual culprit. I mean, he was on Sodium Benzoate this whole time, so how could he have candida?

I did ask her if he could have metal poisoning, since I washed their wooden toy in vinegar a few days back, put it back in their cage (the toy looked fine upon inspection), but that same evening I was cleaning their cage and saw rust falling off like dust from the metal chain that held the wooden block together. *facepalm* I removed it right away - it didn't look like they touched it that much, there was maybe one tiny wooden shard at the bottom of the cage, and that was in the spot where George usually sits. The vet said it was unlikely that he had metal poisoning from being exposed to such a "small" amount of rust and for less than a day, especially if it looked like they didn't really play with the toy. Ugh!

My panic, pain, and frustration is through the roof! :'(

What do you guys think? Any suggestions on helping Charles to digest his food while on meds. Also, anyone else ever had a sick bird that was restless and wanted to be with them when not feeling well? I started putting ginger powder in their wet food along with lots of probiotics, and that seems to have helped with his gagging every time he eats. Any other home remedy to kick start his digestion as he is battling these nasties? Do you guys think he has metal poisoning after all? I'm at a loss of what to do.

EDIT: forgot to mention that Charles started eating from the cuttlebone in their cage, which neither of them touched for a few months now for some reason, he is just chewing at it every so often throughout the day now.

EDIT 2: Well, it seems that at least in part his restlessness is actually a bratty tantrum he was throwing because he had to eat pellets instead of seeds - after giving him seeds, he calmed down and started to rest.


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Old 07-19-2017, 12:54 AM
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I'm sorry that Charles is going through all this. Were the budgies originally diagnosed with AGY? That is where I've heard of the use of Sodium Benzoate.

I think it would have been a good idea to have bought and used the metronidazole like the vet recommended. I know you wanted to use the ronidazole that you already had, but although it might be a similar drug, it might not be the 'right' drug to knock out this particular type of protozoa. Also about the possible Candidiasis, perhaps the sodium benzoate didn't do anything to prevent him from having it, since it sounds like it was prescribed for a different reason or a specific type of yeast?

Did you tell the vet the drugs you were planning on using instead of the recommended ones? If so, did they say it was fine? Also, dissolving meds in water isn't the best method for the bird to get the right dose. Many vets will recommend against it.

Unfortunately, it sounds like little Charles has a lot going on right now, and the best anyone can do on the forum is speculate. I have a parrot who has had metal poisoning before. He vomited every now and then, but it was vague. I'd never have known what his symptoms were from without paying for diagnostics. Also, not every bird who has a specific type of poisoning will react in the exact same way, so it is impossible for anyone to accurately give you a diagnosis on the forum. How one reacts to a certain illness such as lead poisoning for espxample, depends on species, the amount ingested, the type of metal, and other factors. In order to get a definite answer of what all is going on, Charles will need more tests, and the exact meds prescribed for the particular issue.

I wish best for both your birds. Will you please keep us posted here?
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:15 PM
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The vet didn't actually say which type of protozoa he had...in fact, she said she couldn't tell from the fecal smear, all she knew was that it was a flagellate of some type, could have been giardia or any one of them really. So she basically wanted to prescribe metridazole for protozoa in general, rather than to combat a specific type of protozoa. I have read that ronidazole is the recommended med for all types of protozoa. As for mixing it in the water, they are drinking a lot more water than they normally do (I guess because they are eating pellets now), so I hope they get enough into their system to be of help.

Overall, Charles is definitely doing better, thought you can tell he is still sick. He no longer vomits or even gags, he devours his food like never before and throws tantrums like a brat because he wants to eat seeds all day rather than the varied diet I'm trying to get them to eat. Of course we give in and give him seeds since he's sick, but he's acting much more fearlessly than before. For the first time, he landed on the dining room table to demand seeds, and now for the past two days, they both roam about the table freely and eat breakfast and dinner at the table with us. In the past, Charles was scared of everything, now he even lands on our heads. It's like he's not the same bird as before, much more assertive and brave. Go figure.

Other than that, his poop looks more or less normal considering all the meds he is taking. Btw, yes, the vet recommended all 3 meds (an antibiotic, anti-fungal, and anti-protozoal). And she said there were no signs of megabacteria in their feces, but I know that they don't always shed the megabac rods.

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I'm so sorry to hear that Charles is not doing well, but from reading your updates he sounds like he is getting better. I hope this continues. All the best!!
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